Abandoned car?

CliveOfIndia

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

RL11

SpudGunPaul said:

RL11 said:

A car has been parked up at the entrance to our estate for around 4 months now. It's a bloody nuisance as it's near to the t-junction and makes it awkward for people living there to get in and out and park on the street themselves. It's definitely "abandoned" in the sense that it's never been moved but there are frequent late night visitors to it, who clamber in through the boot! I'm pretty sure it's being used as a place to sleep and/or drugs use. It looks like it was towed there not long after it was taxed, so there are 8 months to run on that. There are 3 months left on the MOT, so it will have to be moved to renew that but sounds like just having no MOT won't help - though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT. I have already tried the police (111) and council and no-one is interested in doing anything. It doesn't seem that there is any way to get a nuisance vehicle shifted!

You've read wrong and NHS Direct can't help either. 

Meant 101 - quite useful for non-emergency - though nothing happened this time.
Might give NHS Direct a go though - must be useful for something!

RL11

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

SpudGunPaul

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

But they won't. 

RL11

SpudGunPaul said:

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

But they won't. 

Nah. Cornwall police will probably send out a couple of cars on blue lights if I  give them this to look into 

Car_54

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

Yes, but it is a fairly trivial offence (£100 fine and no points). So, in fairness to the police, that should be pretty low on their priority list.

RL11

Car_54 said:

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

Yes, but it is a fairly trivial offence (£100 fine and no points). So, in fairness to the police, that should be pretty low on their priority list.

Think the no MOT fine is up to £1,000 but does appear (from reading other examples) that police aren't going to bother and council won't consider abandoned until tax runs out

sevenhills

RL11 said:

Car_54 said:

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

Yes, but it is a fairly trivial offence (£100 fine and no points). So, in fairness to the police, that should be pretty low on their priority list.

Think the no MOT fine is up to £1,000 but does appear (from reading other examples) that police aren't going to bother and council won't consider abandoned until tax runs out

If it's taxed, the owner is still traceable.

RL11

RL11 said:

It's definitely "abandoned" in the sense that it's never been moved but there are frequent late night visitors to it, who clamber in through the boot! I'm pretty sure it's being used as a place to sleep and/or drugs use.

Any thoughts on the sleeping in it and drug aspect? I guess there's no law against people sleeping in a car - even if not your car. Though using it as somewhere to take drugs?

Aretnap

RL11 said:

Car_54 said:

RL11 said:

CliveOfIndia said:

RL11 said:

though I have read Tax and Insurance are invalid with no MOT.

Just to correct you on that point - lack of MOT does not invalidate tax or insurance.  Yes, you need to have a valid MOT in place in order to tax the vehicle, but if the MOT expires part-way through the "lifetime" of the tax, as it were, the tax itself is still valid.  And the MOT status has no bearing on insurance (other than, potentially, giving the insurers a reason to pay out a lower value to the policy-holder in the event of the car being written off, assuming it's a fully-comp policy).

Thanks for clarifying. On Gov It does say:

"You cannot drive or park your vehicle on the road if the MOT has run out. You can be prosecuted if caught."

So presumably the police should do "something" if I report via 101

Yes, but it is a fairly trivial offence (£100 fine and no points). So, in fairness to the police, that should be pretty low on their priority list.

Think the no MOT fine is up to £1,000 but does appear (from reading other examples) that police aren't going to bother and council won't consider abandoned until tax runs out

£1000 is the maximum fine should a no MOT case be heard in court, but in practice it is nearly always dealt with by a £100 fixed penalty (or a stern warning to get your car MOTed right away).

Either way it's a minor offence if the car is being driven and even more minor if it's just parked up at the side of the road. The police barely have the resources to investigate burglaries these days; they're not likely to come out and deal with a slightly shabby car which is causing minor irritation to the neighbors I'm afraid.