Understanding Title Plan for Fence replacement

NurseMoneySaver1122
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edited 5 August 2022 at 2:48PM in Consumer rights


Trying to find out info for relative who is about to have their fencing replaced and dug out their title plan to check ownership/responsibility. 

They plan on getting fencing around the whole garden, regardless of ownership/responsibility so it will effectively be double fenced. 

Trying to understand the title plan. 

Obviously the red is their property. 
The blue presumably they do not own??
 The “T” mark is I believe showing responsibility/ownership of that side. Just strange that it indicates on one side of the house they’re responsible for the left side, and the other side of the house they’re responsible for the right side. 

And there is a line drawn through the top part of the property..surely if this was a mistake they would have had to reprint or explain the error?? Or is it supposed to be there and indicating something?

Obviously they’re not to scale so don’t really help much. 

Ps. The line the goes through the middle of the property in a kind of backward L, is because there is a brick shed attached into the house which the fence then begins from at the edge of the brick shed

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  • Aylesbury_Duck
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    Aside from the detail, the general principle is that unless otherwise stated, the T marks signify which person is responsible for the boundary, not the fence.  Unless the deeds specifically require a fence, there is no need for one, you can just mark the boundary with string or spray paint if you want.  You have a responsibility to secure your boundary if you have roaming pets.

    On that basis, your relative can do as they like inside their boundary (as long as they don't breach anything in the deeds about limits on fence type or height) so the double-fencing you describe is probably fine.  They could erect a fence on the boundaries they have responsibility for, and inside those they don't.  If there are existing fences, hedges, etc. on the boundaries they don't have responsibility for, they can't just uproot whatever's there already without the owner's consent.

    They should be aware that double-fencing has one possible drawback.  Some sneaky neighbours might remove their boundary fence once the new one is erected inside your relative's boundary, thereby stealing a small sliver of land!
  • Grumpy_chap
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    Unusually, that plan seems to show a "T" mark on all boundaries for the highlighted property. 
    Using the orientation in the picture as posted, north, east and west seem clear.  It also looks like a "T" mark for the southern boundary towards the eastern corner where the other line has also been drawn.  
    If that is correct, the OP can renew all the fences at the boundary and no need to double fence.
  • user1977
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    edited 5 August 2022 at 3:10PM

    Obviously the red is their property. 
    The blue presumably they do not own??
    You'll need to read the text in the title sheet to see what the blue indicates (or indeed the red, though I expect that is within their ownership).
    And there is a line drawn through the top part of the property
    Not sure which line you're talking about here. Bear in mind the underlying map isn't anything do with title registration, so the black lines won't necessarily have any legal significance (and things like old mapped boundary features might no longer exist).

    Also this isn't really a Consumer Rights issue - property stuff belongs better over on

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/house-buying-renting-selling
  • As Aylesbury says, fences that currently exist belong to whoever paid for them.

    If friend or a previous owner of friend’s house did then they are free to remove existing fence.

    If a neighbouring property paid for the fences generally fences would belong to them and can’t be removed without permission.

    Echo comments above that T marks are for maintaining the boundary, specific clauses in the deeds may require maintenance of a specific type of boundary marker (fence, wall, etc) but it’s not that common.
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