Current fix with Eon. Should I fix again?

davidjpert

Thanks for your help everyone. Really appreciate it. I think I've no option but to take the current best eon offer. 

For our useage, we had a hot tub for a while and my wife bakes cakes as a side business, so the oven is often always on. Both will increase our usage 

I'm worried that there might be another drain on our usage elsewhere. Anyone know how I get this assessed?

Mstty

1) what size is your house and date of construction?

2) do you have electric showers?

3) do you have an EV

4) what temperature is your boiler set to

5) have you checked your immersion is not on constantly

6) is there a lot of individual electrical use as in TV's, gaming PC's and consoles and sky boxes

7) do you cook a lot and maybe individual meals and what methods do you mostly use (noted bakes as a side business)

8) have you got any pond filters/expensive things like a hot tub/sauna/swimming pool

9) do you use separate electric heaters anywhere in the house

10) do you have Aircon systems

11) how many fridge freezers do you have and are any the America kind?

12) heating on all day over winter?

pochase

davidjpert said:

Thanks for your help everyone. Really appreciate it. I think I've no option but to take the current best eon offer. 

For our useage, we had a hot tub for a while and my wife bakes cakes as a side business, so the oven is often always on. Both will increase our usage 

I'm worried that there might be another drain on our usage elsewhere. Anyone know how I get this assessed?

That can easily explain 3000 to 5000KWh electricity. 

We had a hot tub running 24/7 throughout the year including winter it was 7KWh in summer and a bit more in Winter. 2500 to 3000KWh.

davidjpert

Answers below...

1) what size is your house and date of construction?

-1950, brick building with slate roof. Loads of insulation and reflective foil in the loft. Not sure on insulation in the walls, or even if they are hollow.

2) do you have electric showers?

- one electric shower, one run from the boiler.

3) do you have an EV

- No.

4) what temperature is your boiler set to

- It was set to 72c until someone pointed out that's way too high. It's now 40c (lowest setting)

5) have you checked your immersion is not on constantly

- We had a faulty boiler until Feb, which I think was running way more than it should have been. Fixed now.

6) is there a lot of individual electrical use as in TV's, gaming PC's and consoles and sky boxes

- sky box with two multi room boxes, post (doesn't sit on stand by) and usually a few iPads in use.

7) do you cook a lot and maybe individual meals and what methods do you mostly use (noted bakes as a side business)

- usually one days a week of heavy oven use (on all afternoon), then the normal evening meal using the oven/gas hob.

8) have you got any pond filters/expensive things like a hot tub/sauna/swimming pool

- we were running the hot tub all winter tool late Jan. Now it's only on for the occasional weekend. Can't see us running it after October!

9) do you use separate electric heaters anywhere in the house

- No.

10) do you have Aircon systems

- No. But our little girl (5) likes to sleep with a desk fan running. Got hooked on it after the hot weather!

11) how many fridge freezers do you have and are any the America kind?

- one big double door fridge freezer.

12) heating on all day over winter?

- We run a Honeywell Evohome system to heat individual rooms only when we need them.

Mstty

So some things that stick out

Cavity wall insulation won't have been done since new but would be worth investigating if it's been done before you moved in

Double door fridge freezer, they can use from 1.5-3kWh a day unless ultra new in which some state 1kWh a day.

The electric shower if you can all use the boiler fed one or if using the electric shower be quick

Hot tub you have under control and mothballed

Home bakes business not much you can do there but remember a good accountant can get the money back for you on such things.

The fan a decent DC fan max 35w might be worth checking the label and working out if worth changing.

Pick a day when everyone is out turn everything off but broadband and the fridge freezer and record the energy usage. Ideally over a 1-3 hour period enough for the fridge freezer to kick in and out of use and open it a few times (maybe lots to mimic the business cooking). That can form your baseline home use. (Ours is currently 3kWh a day). Your could then buy a P110 smart energy plug to put on different appliances each day and record their usage so you know where your energy is going.

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davidjpert

It gets more complex.

I've just been offered Next Online v19, which is cheaper than v18.

Electricity

Daily standing charge: 42.24p

Unit rate: 60.08p per kWh

Gas

Daily standing charge: 27.22p

Unit rate: 15.09p per kWh

And I've been offered Next flex, which from 1st October would be much cheaper, but I presume this would go up by 82% in October then again a bit in 2023? So...I should take v19, right?

Electricity

Daily standing charge: 42.24p

Unit rate: 28.02p per kWh

Gas

Daily standing charge: 27.22p

Unit rate: 7.34p per kWh

pochase

How do you get the idea that V19 is cheaper than Next Online v18 which was

Gas - 13.33p (27.22p SC) 

Electricity - 54.01p (37.92 SC).

V18 was almost £400 cheaper for the "average" 2900/12000 user.

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davidjpert said:

It gets more complex.

I've just been offered Next Online v19, which is cheaper than v18.

Electricity

Daily standing charge: 42.24p

Unit rate: 60.08p per kWh

Gas

Daily standing charge: 27.22p

Unit rate: 15.09p per kWh

And I've been offered Next flex, which from 1st October would be much cheaper, but I presume this would go up by 82% in October then again a bit in 2023? So...I should take v19, right?

Electricity

Daily standing charge: 42.24p

Unit rate: 28.02p per kWh

Gas

Daily standing charge: 27.22p

Unit rate: 7.34p per kWh

Sorry but Next Online v19 Direct Debit is more expensive than Next Online Direct Debit v18

Next online v18 rates (for Northern region) are

Electricity

Daily standing charge: 48.91p v18 against 48.91p on v19 (Same on both)

Unit rate: 51.86p per kWh on v18 against 59.15p per kWh on v19

Gas

Daily standing charge: 27.22p (Same on both)

Unit rate: 13.21p per kWh on v18 against 14.97p per kWh on v19

So both sets of SC are the same for both versions but the unit rates for v19 are worse.  The unit rates differ slightly as you must be covered by a different region to the Northern Region.

Only 8 days to know for sure what the new cap level for October is likely to be set at.  Other than that all I can advise you to think about doing is setting up a spreadsheet populated with your own actual monthly reads for gas/electric and take it from there.  No one knows for sure what is going to happen to future energy prices and when, although the omens have got increasingly negative of late

The other great unknown is what additional levels of COL support are announced by HMG in September

davidjpert

Sorry, the offer I got was for a tariff called NEXT_1_YEAR_V18_ROB. So that must have been a more expensive version of v18 (lucky me).

spot1034

The Next 1 Year tariff has been running alongside the Next Online series, not always with the same number at the same time, though recently that has been the case for a week or two. We are now on to Next 1 Year v20. It has always been more expensive that the Next Online version available at the same time.