Popla appeal following parking in disabled bay PREMIER PARK pcn

Umkomaas

will have to ignore the latest pcn

Does she have more than one PCN?  

Will she be taken to court if the management company refuse to assist?

Always a possibility, if not definite, Premier have become more litigious of late. Concentrate efforts with Savills to start. 

Can she get photos of the Premier signs on site for us to read what it says, if anything, about disabled parking bays. 

Mouse007

I’ll take a softer stance on blue badges and parking in disabled parking bays. In doing so I refer you to the recent re-branding of disabled toilets as “accessible toilets”. Some of you may have noticed the new signs which now show apparently able bodied figures along side the traditional wheel chaired and the statement “not all disabilities are visible”.

These have been adopted by most supermarkets and motorway service stations following a campaign by the Crohn's & Colitis UK charity.

https://crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/not-every-disability-is-visible/access-to-toilets

I suffer from ulcerative colitis, some days I do some days I do not. I have a radar key, I can access locked disabled toilets but rarely do so, perhaps 2 or 3 times in as many years. But when I have, trust me I needed to.

Why should parking be so different? Why should disabled parking spaces discriminate against those who have a temporary, but at time, actual invisible need?

A disability is not defined as a permanent condition, nor should it. It is not defined by law, neither should it be. A disability occurs when you can not, for one reason or another, perform, cope or deal with normal every day activities and as a result need extra time, space or understanding to move on. There is no such thing as being registered disabled, that would wrongly label some and discriminate against others. I would support neither.

My son told me the staff at our local Waitrose (when he worked there) were told to never challenge anyone using the disabled parking bays - because they had no way of knowing if someone had a disability or not (Waitrose recognise hidden disabilities). Their signs may say reserved for blue badge holders only, but they don’t enforce that.

Last year the store manager actually told my wife to use them - no blue badge but they could see her mobility problems before her hip operation.

My youngest daughter does have a blue badge, but no apparent physical disability. We only use it when we are aware of her need and only we, can judge that moment. Other wise we park as everyone else does, wherever we can find space, leaving room for those with greater needs than our own - at that time.

My eldest daughter however has no excuse, and when she parked (in the year of passing her driving test aged 17) in a disabled parking space my angry response was pay up!

I’m not going to join the hard and fast blue badge line - need in the moment should override terms and conditions, prejudice and opinions. In this case, in my opinion your daughter has a valid defence.

Your daughter’s primary duty was to attended to your choking grandchild - there is no way she could assess the urgency or otherwise of that whilst driving. I’m sure the Court would agree if this is properly presented.

The scum that run PPCs don't care about medical emergencies or any other excuses, they are only interested in money. The Court however will be more interested in what is right or wrong and that will be influenced by what is in the public interest. Potentially saving the life of a baby is a little bit higher in my book than parking in a disabled parking bay.

Coupon-mad

My son told me the staff at our local Waitrose (when he worked there) were told to never challenge anyone using the disabled parking bays - because they had no way of knowing if someone had a disability or not (Waitrose recognise hidden disabilities). 

Their signs may say reserved for blue badge holders only, but they don’t enforce that. 

Last year the store manager actually told my wife to use them - no blue badge but they could see her mobility problems before her hip operation.

I agree - and that stance is great!

But the driver in this case left the car parked in an accessible bay when going inside to change the baby's nappy. I hope the store cancel it but there is no defence in this case for leaving the car there.

Parents don't need special bays.

I do 'get it' that the baby was choking on arrival (and am a Mum of four myself) but the car should have been moved to a normal bay before getting the baby out.  I am with you here:

My eldest daughter however has no excuse, and when she parked (in the year of passing her driving test aged 17) in a disabled parking space my angry response was pay up!

Mouse007

Coupon-mad said:

But the driver in this case left the car parked in an accessible bay when going inside to change the baby's nappy.

Noted, but by then the "crime" had been logged - so what difference does that make?

Coupon-mad

I don't think it had.

Mouse007

So we have common grounds on the defence? - the aside to change a nappy is a mere...

Coupon-mad

There is no defence in this case, IMHO.  It's the same as your elder daughter's scenario.

Let's hope that the retail park cancel it as a goodwill gesture, and that the driver learns from it never to park in a disabled bay unless they or a passenger has a disability need.

Mouse007

Then we can agree to disagree - nothing more than that. I think reasonable excuse exists, you dont.