Help!!! Energy Bills

comeandgo

With gas for heating and water your electricity is very high.  What do you have that is using this amount?  

MattMattMattUK

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):
Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

OK, so let's say that you use another "summer" quarter between now and November. That's a total of roughly 18,500kWh/yr.

At current prices, that would cost £1500/yr, £125/month (with the potential to almost double with the price increase from October).

They'll also expect you to recover your £495 arrears over the next six months, to that's an extra £85/month - which gets us to £210/month.

Have you got a dual-fuel account? How much electricity have you used in the same time?

Electric:
Nov - Jul - 5079

OK, if we say 6500kWh/yr for electricity that's another £2000/yr, £165/month. That makes:

• Gas - £125/month
• Electricity - £165/month
• Arrears - £85/month (for six months)

A total of £375/month, at current prices. EDF's £379 seems to be about right.

From October the SVT will increase and I'd guess your gas bill will increase by £1200/yr, £100/month, and your electricity by £1000/yr, £85/month. Even with the arrears paid off you'll then be looking at £475/month.

Happy days, not.

Whilst the higher unit costs cannot be avoided, it might be worth trying to reduce your usage as both your gas and electricity usage are significantly above average. Is your home poorly insulated, lots of occupants?

Their are only 3 of us in the property, we have good loft insulation and the cavity wall insulation has been redone in the last few weeks.

The cavity wall might make a bit of difference and the new boiler, if running in the optimal way should also bring down usage slightly, but the reality is you are using a huge amount of energy for three people. I think you need to do yourself a bit of an energy audit and work out why you are actually using so much, lots of high usage electronics (gaming PCs, very old freezers, electric showers), and also work out why your gas usage is so high (heating running with windows open, indoor temperature set to high (should be 18/19c), lots of long hot showers/baths? an Aga?).

pochase

You might want to consider a fix with Green Energy UK Sparkling fixed tariff.



https://www.greenenergyuk.com/quote?postcode=

Main issue is that after the fix ends you will be with a provider that is not bound by the cap, and the question is if the supplier might go bust before, but there is currently no sign that this might be a problem.

markin

What make model was with the old boiler? Or just the age if you don't know it.

Imperial1847

markin said:

What make model was with the old boiler? Or just the age if you don't know it.

It was a Saunier Duval and about 19 years old.

Imperial1847

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):
Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

OK, so let's say that you use another "summer" quarter between now and November. That's a total of roughly 18,500kWh/yr.

At current prices, that would cost £1500/yr, £125/month (with the potential to almost double with the price increase from October).

They'll also expect you to recover your £495 arrears over the next six months, to that's an extra £85/month - which gets us to £210/month.

Have you got a dual-fuel account? How much electricity have you used in the same time?

Electric:
Nov - Jul - 5079

OK, if we say 6500kWh/yr for electricity that's another £2000/yr, £165/month. That makes:

• Gas - £125/month
• Electricity - £165/month
• Arrears - £85/month (for six months)

A total of £375/month, at current prices. EDF's £379 seems to be about right.

From October the SVT will increase and I'd guess your gas bill will increase by £1200/yr, £100/month, and your electricity by £1000/yr, £85/month. Even with the arrears paid off you'll then be looking at £475/month.

Happy days, not.

Whilst the higher unit costs cannot be avoided, it might be worth trying to reduce your usage as both your gas and electricity usage are significantly above average. Is your home poorly insulated, lots of occupants?

Their are only 3 of us in the property, we have good loft insulation and the cavity wall insulation has been redone in the last few weeks.

The cavity wall might make a bit of difference and the new boiler, if running in the optimal way should also bring down usage slightly, but the reality is you are using a huge amount of energy for three people. I think you need to do yourself a bit of an energy audit and work out why you are actually using so much, lots of high usage electronics (gaming PCs, very old freezers, electric showers), and also work out why your gas usage is so high (heating running with windows open, indoor temperature set to high (should be 18/19c), lots of long hot showers/baths? an Aga?).

My son is currently at home as he's between finishing A levels and getting a job and does use a gaming PC for long periods, we do have an electric shower and the Mrs has a habit of heating on/windows open in winter.

MattMattMattUK

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):
Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

OK, so let's say that you use another "summer" quarter between now and November. That's a total of roughly 18,500kWh/yr.

At current prices, that would cost £1500/yr, £125/month (with the potential to almost double with the price increase from October).

They'll also expect you to recover your £495 arrears over the next six months, to that's an extra £85/month - which gets us to £210/month.

Have you got a dual-fuel account? How much electricity have you used in the same time?

Electric:
Nov - Jul - 5079

OK, if we say 6500kWh/yr for electricity that's another £2000/yr, £165/month. That makes:

• Gas - £125/month
• Electricity - £165/month
• Arrears - £85/month (for six months)

A total of £375/month, at current prices. EDF's £379 seems to be about right.

From October the SVT will increase and I'd guess your gas bill will increase by £1200/yr, £100/month, and your electricity by £1000/yr, £85/month. Even with the arrears paid off you'll then be looking at £475/month.

Happy days, not.

Whilst the higher unit costs cannot be avoided, it might be worth trying to reduce your usage as both your gas and electricity usage are significantly above average. Is your home poorly insulated, lots of occupants?

Their are only 3 of us in the property, we have good loft insulation and the cavity wall insulation has been redone in the last few weeks.

The cavity wall might make a bit of difference and the new boiler, if running in the optimal way should also bring down usage slightly, but the reality is you are using a huge amount of energy for three people. I think you need to do yourself a bit of an energy audit and work out why you are actually using so much, lots of high usage electronics (gaming PCs, very old freezers, electric showers), and also work out why your gas usage is so high (heating running with windows open, indoor temperature set to high (should be 18/19c), lots of long hot showers/baths? an Aga?).

My son is currently at home as he's between finishing A levels and getting a job and does use a gaming PC for long periods, we do have an electric shower and the Mrs has a habit of heating on/windows open in winter.

Then your son needs to get a job, most students already have, and start contributing towards the bills, his aiming could be a third or more of your electricity bill. Your wife needs to stop trying to heat the outside, if the heating is on then the windows are closed, she is costing you a fortune. Without knowing how bad she is it is hard to tell how much exactly, but seeing how high your usage is her trying to heat the garden could be half or more of your gas bill. Electric showers are expensive to run, if you have a shower that runs from boiler heated water that will be much cheaper.

Imperial1847

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):
Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

OK, so let's say that you use another "summer" quarter between now and November. That's a total of roughly 18,500kWh/yr.

At current prices, that would cost £1500/yr, £125/month (with the potential to almost double with the price increase from October).

They'll also expect you to recover your £495 arrears over the next six months, to that's an extra £85/month - which gets us to £210/month.

Have you got a dual-fuel account? How much electricity have you used in the same time?

Electric:
Nov - Jul - 5079

OK, if we say 6500kWh/yr for electricity that's another £2000/yr, £165/month. That makes:

• Gas - £125/month
• Electricity - £165/month
• Arrears - £85/month (for six months)

A total of £375/month, at current prices. EDF's £379 seems to be about right.

From October the SVT will increase and I'd guess your gas bill will increase by £1200/yr, £100/month, and your electricity by £1000/yr, £85/month. Even with the arrears paid off you'll then be looking at £475/month.

Happy days, not.

Whilst the higher unit costs cannot be avoided, it might be worth trying to reduce your usage as both your gas and electricity usage are significantly above average. Is your home poorly insulated, lots of occupants?

Their are only 3 of us in the property, we have good loft insulation and the cavity wall insulation has been redone in the last few weeks.

The cavity wall might make a bit of difference and the new boiler, if running in the optimal way should also bring down usage slightly, but the reality is you are using a huge amount of energy for three people. I think you need to do yourself a bit of an energy audit and work out why you are actually using so much, lots of high usage electronics (gaming PCs, very old freezers, electric showers), and also work out why your gas usage is so high (heating running with windows open, indoor temperature set to high (should be 18/19c), lots of long hot showers/baths? an Aga?).

My son is currently at home as he's between finishing A levels and getting a job and does use a gaming PC for long periods, we do have an electric shower and the Mrs has a habit of heating on/windows open in winter.

Then your son needs to get a job, most students already have, and start contributing towards the bills, his aiming could be a third or more of your electricity bill. Your wife needs to stop trying to heat the outside, if the heating is on then the windows are closed, she is costing you a fortune. Without knowing how bad she is it is hard to tell how much exactly, but seeing how high your usage is her trying to heat the garden could be half or more of your gas bill. Electric showers are expensive to run, if you have a shower that runs from boiler heated water that will be much cheaper.

I fully agree on the heating the garden bit bit I'll let you tell her :-)

MattMattMattUK

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):
Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

OK, so let's say that you use another "summer" quarter between now and November. That's a total of roughly 18,500kWh/yr.

At current prices, that would cost £1500/yr, £125/month (with the potential to almost double with the price increase from October).

They'll also expect you to recover your £495 arrears over the next six months, to that's an extra £85/month - which gets us to £210/month.

Have you got a dual-fuel account? How much electricity have you used in the same time?

Electric:
Nov - Jul - 5079

OK, if we say 6500kWh/yr for electricity that's another £2000/yr, £165/month. That makes:

• Gas - £125/month
• Electricity - £165/month
• Arrears - £85/month (for six months)

A total of £375/month, at current prices. EDF's £379 seems to be about right.

From October the SVT will increase and I'd guess your gas bill will increase by £1200/yr, £100/month, and your electricity by £1000/yr, £85/month. Even with the arrears paid off you'll then be looking at £475/month.

Happy days, not.

Whilst the higher unit costs cannot be avoided, it might be worth trying to reduce your usage as both your gas and electricity usage are significantly above average. Is your home poorly insulated, lots of occupants?

Their are only 3 of us in the property, we have good loft insulation and the cavity wall insulation has been redone in the last few weeks.

The cavity wall might make a bit of difference and the new boiler, if running in the optimal way should also bring down usage slightly, but the reality is you are using a huge amount of energy for three people. I think you need to do yourself a bit of an energy audit and work out why you are actually using so much, lots of high usage electronics (gaming PCs, very old freezers, electric showers), and also work out why your gas usage is so high (heating running with windows open, indoor temperature set to high (should be 18/19c), lots of long hot showers/baths? an Aga?).

My son is currently at home as he's between finishing A levels and getting a job and does use a gaming PC for long periods, we do have an electric shower and the Mrs has a habit of heating on/windows open in winter.

Then your son needs to get a job, most students already have, and start contributing towards the bills, his aiming could be a third or more of your electricity bill. Your wife needs to stop trying to heat the outside, if the heating is on then the windows are closed, she is costing you a fortune. Without knowing how bad she is it is hard to tell how much exactly, but seeing how high your usage is her trying to heat the garden could be half or more of your gas bill. Electric showers are expensive to run, if you have a shower that runs from boiler heated water that will be much cheaper.

I fully agree on the heating the garden bit bit I'll let you tell her :-)

Perhaps showing her the bills might do the trick this year, if they are going to be costing £400-500 pcm. The one positive of these rises is that many people are now finally realising how much energy they were wasting. 

markin

Imperial1847 said:

markin said:

What make model was with the old boiler? Or just the age if you don't know it.

It was a Saunier Duval and about 19 years old.

So already a condensing boiler, but maybe not ran with a low flow temp like many in the uk. It may save 10%.

1988 copper heat exchanger.. In 1995, Navien developed the world’s first stainless steel fin-tube condensing (secondary) heat exchanger. In 1998, this received CE mark certification, making Navien the first Asian manufacturer to receive this standard. This also revealed Navien to be ahead of its time, as the company had begun extensive work on this highly efficient technology a whole 17 years before the UK government had even implemented its condensing boiler regulations!"