Help!!! Energy Bills

Imperial1847

I've recently (about 6 wks ago) replaced my old inefficient gas boiler with a new one, its a coventional boiler made by Ideal, I would expect a drop in our usage with this in place, we have a gas fired heating system and a gas hob only, EDF have estimated our usage at over 21kwh pa and have increased our monthly DD from this September to £379.00 a month (from the current £197.00) what can I do as that is a huge increase.

MattMattMattUK

Imperial1847 said:

I've recently (about 6 wks ago) replaced my old inefficient gas boiler with a new one, its a coventional boiler made by Ideal, I would expect a drop in our usage with this in place, we have a gas fired heating system and a gas hob only, EDF have estimated our usage at over 21kwh pa and have increased our monthly DD from this September to £379.00 a month (from the current £197.00) what can I do as that is a huge increase.

Based on those usage figures your gas bill would be around £3,200 pa with gas only running at the average with the estimate of prices over the next 12 months. Do you have electricity with them as well? What were the annual usage figures from your last bill, based on actual usage? 

The_Fat_Controller

Are you on fix that is due to end some time soon ?

Is you account in credit or debit ?

From your bills, what was the ACTUAL usage in kWh for gas over the last year ?

Imperial1847

The_Fat_Controller said:

Are you on fix that is due to end some time soon ?

Is you account in credit or debit ?

From your bills, what was the ACTUAL usage in kWh for gas over the last year ?

We were previously with one of the companies that went bust and only have a bill from EDF from the end of November last year so have nothing showing a full years usage.

QrizB

Imperial1847 said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

Are you on fix that is due to end some time soon ?

Is you account in credit or debit ?

From your bills, what was the ACTUAL usage in kWh for gas over the last year ?

We were previously with one of the companies that went bust and only have a bill from EDF from the end of November last year so have nothing showing a full years usage.

OK, so how much gas have you used since the end of Noveember?

The_Fat_Controller

I guess you are on the SV tariff in that case, but are you in credit or debit ?

Surely you have some idea of your past energy use.

Imperial1847

QrizB said:

Imperial1847 said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

Are you on fix that is due to end some time soon ?

Is you account in credit or debit ?

From your bills, what was the ACTUAL usage in kWh for gas over the last year ?

We were previously with one of the companies that went bust and only have a bill from EDF from the end of November last year so have nothing showing a full years usage.

OK, so how much gas have you used since the end of Noveember?

From the two bills I have (bare in mind this was with the old boiler):

Nov - Jan - 554 = 6169kwh
Jan - Mar - 652 = 7316kwh
Apr - Jul - 652 = 226 = 2536kwh.

The_Fat_Controller

For the third time of asking, is your account in credit or debit ?

[Deleted User]

Suppliers do not have physic powers. They cannot base estimates on new boilers; solar PV etc. They have to use historical usage as the basis for their calculations. You will only be charged for the gas that is used irrespective of the DD payment that has been set.

New boilers are not in themselves efficient. They need to be run with flow temperatures that ensure that the return flow temperature at the boiler is less than 56C: the lower the better. When hot water is being heated, boilers are run at maximum flow temperatures so are inefficient. Combi boilers are easier to control than heat boilers. I have a heat boiler and I run mine at 60C flow to ensure that the boiler is in its condensing mode for most of the time that the CH a is on. Combi boilers can be run at a lower flow temperature.

Imperial1847

The_Fat_Controller said:

For the third time of asking, is your account in credit or debit ?

Sorry its showing as £495.00 in debit.

The_Fat_Controller

OK, so you underpaying now.

As above, EDF will use their current estimates.

Predicted rise in the cap on 1 Oct is 65% for average dual fuel users, you seem to be using above the average on gas and I am assuming you are a dual fuel customer.

Current DD £197 x 1.65 = £325 plus £41 to clear arrears (over 12 months) = £366

£379 doesn't look too far out for September onwards.