Estimated unit rates Oct 2022

savers_united

The reality though is people can only cut so much before it really affects their (mental) health.

Those on the lowest incomes are if used correctly getting a large chunk of their annual energy use paid for. 

I have not worked it out but let's say the Gov't support buys 1800kwh of Elec and 7000kwh of Gas, that is free energy. The Gov't cannot and should not be covering all energy costs, it would bankrupt us. My local council offer other services to those on lowest income like free or heavily subsidised gym membership / swimming. When you talk about mental health maybe leaving the TV or games console off for a few hours a day and going for a swim on the free bus service provided is maybe a quick win as an example. Appreciate its not for everyone and some genuinely cannot leave the house, but a nice walk, bike ride, run, not only warms you up, it makes you feel better and is a win win for anyone's mental health. It will mean people changing their long term habits that is the biggest hurdle, but sitting in front of a tv / games console all day with heating on may no longer be an option if you cannot afford the bill. It could be a book and blanket instead, some houses do have the telly on from the monent they get up until they go to bed. 

fergie_

Very true, but remember its not just the cost of your own power it affects, but also all other energy users such as shops, producers, industry etc (who are at the mercy of commercial contracts) who have to then pass their costs on to the end users.

renifer7

savers_united said:

The reality though is people can only cut so much before it really affects their (mental) health.

Those on the lowest incomes are if used correctly getting a large chunk of their annual energy use paid for. 

I have not worked it out but let's say the Gov't support buys 1800kwh of Elec and 7000kwh of Gas, that is free energy. The Gov't cannot and should not be covering all energy costs, it would bankrupt us. My local council offer other services to those on lowest income like free or heavily subsidised gym membership / swimming. When you talk about mental health maybe leaving the TV or games console off for a few hours a day and going for a swim on the free bus service provided is maybe a quick win as an example. Appreciate its not for everyone and some genuinely cannot leave the house, but a nice walk, bike ride, run, not only warms you up, it makes you feel better and is a win win for anyone's mental health. It will mean people changing their long term habits that is the biggest hurdle, but sitting in front of a tv / games console all day with heating on may no longer be an option if you cannot afford the bill. It could be a book and blanket instead, some houses do have the telly on from the monent they get up until they go to bed. 

How are those on lowest incomes getting their energy "paid for"? Unless you are discounting their need to eat as well?

"Leaving TV/console off" - I assume you mean don't use it, rather than switch it off completely as opposed to leave on standby, as that would have no effect whatsoever - A typical console uses 90W per hour when actively used, my kWh costs 0.30 at the moment (BG SVR), this brings it apparently to a staggering GBP 0.08 for THREE hours of usage. Sounds like it's worth taking that free bus ride instead isn't it? Perhaps I should consider giving up my games console altogether. Might save for another house this way.

Also it's funny how you seem to imply that the people who cannot afford energy, don't work. If I had a pound for each stereotype in this post, I could pay my energy bill until the end of the year!

PS. The fact that you are poor or disadvantaged does not mean you are less human and therefore not allowed to enjoy anything in your life.

pfpf

hi,
Mssty - thank you for the info on page 1.

i am desperately trying to make the best of the upcoming price increases and have gathered all my details but unsure of one thing.

am i correct?:

Q4 est. Gas - 14.17p PU
            Elec - 43.94p PU

what i don't understand is what the SC100 and SC170 is. is that the SC for the whole 3 months in £? 

i also assume that as the price cap for Oct is only an estimate right now then the break down may change to lower PU and higher SC?

thank you.

we are quite high users so i am inclined to look at locking something now (if there is anything) where the emphasis is on a lower PU.

pochase

The £100 and £170 are the annual standing charges. This is an average annual standing charge not taking into account regional differences, that @QrizB deducted from the cap figures to calculate the consumption part of the cap figures published by Cornwall Insights.

This figures were than used to calculate the new unit rates by dividing them by the average usage fro ags and electricity used by Ofgem.

pfpf

...of course, its so obvious now     i assumed the Oct price rise would see both elements increase which we don't know for sure yet.
i'll be posting up my own set of circumstances later now i have all the info just for other sets of eyes to look over.

thank you.

westv

I've seen mention of a 65% increase in the cap. To work out what you might be paying come October,  isn't it just easier to take your estimated annual bill now and increase that by 65%?

QrizB

Sorry, I've edited my table in the original post here but the screenshot shared in this thread obviously won't update!

	Q4 2022	Q1 2023
Gas SC £ /yr	100	100
12000kWh gas £	1700.34	1777.81
Gas /kWh p	14.17	14.82
Elec SC £ /yr	170	170
2900kWh elec £	1274.2	1315.89
Elec /kWh p	43.94	45.38

Ultrasonic

westv said:

I've seen mention of a 65% increase in the cap. To work out what you might be paying come October,  isn't it just easier to take your estimated annual bill now and increase that by 65%?

Unfortunately whilst obviously simpler the results will be misleading, since the percentage increase will be different for electricity and gas. Very low energy users will also have a larger proportion of their bill made up by the standing charge that probably won't change very much.

savers_united

renifer7 said:

savers_united said:

The reality though is people can only cut so much before it really affects their (mental) health.

Those on the lowest incomes are if used correctly getting a large chunk of their annual energy use paid for. 

I have not worked it out but let's say the Gov't support buys 1800kwh of Elec and 7000kwh of Gas, that is free energy. The Gov't cannot and should not be covering all energy costs, it would bankrupt us. My local council offer other services to those on lowest income like free or heavily subsidised gym membership / swimming. When you talk about mental health maybe leaving the TV or games console off for a few hours a day and going for a swim on the free bus service provided is maybe a quick win as an example. Appreciate its not for everyone and some genuinely cannot leave the house, but a nice walk, bike ride, run, not only warms you up, it makes you feel better and is a win win for anyone's mental health. It will mean people changing their long term habits that is the biggest hurdle, but sitting in front of a tv / games console all day with heating on may no longer be an option if you cannot afford the bill. It could be a book and blanket instead, some houses do have the telly on from the monent they get up until they go to bed. 

How are those on lowest incomes getting their energy "paid for"? Unless you are discounting their need to eat as well?

"Leaving TV/console off" - I assume you mean don't use it, rather than switch it off completely as opposed to leave on standby, as that would have no effect whatsoever - A typical console uses 90W per hour when actively used, my kWh costs 0.30 at the moment (BG SVR), this brings it apparently to a staggering GBP 0.08 for THREE hours of usage. Sounds like it's worth taking that free bus ride instead isn't it? Perhaps I should consider giving up my games console altogether. Might save for another house this way.

Also it's funny how you seem to imply that the people who cannot afford energy, don't work. If I had a pound for each stereotype in this post, I could pay my energy bill until the end of the year!

PS. The fact that you are poor or disadvantaged does not mean you are less human and therefore not allowed to enjoy anything in your life.

A console in my experience can be using upto 300w an hour, but tend to be more around 150-200, obviously this will vary from console to console, a TV depending on size / age can be using anything from 60w to over 200w.

So I reckon for many households combined TV & console will be using around 250w.

Again depending on usage but I know people who spend at least 6 hours per session on these. So you could be looking at 1.5kwh per day.
At the new October rates that could be 60p per day. £18 per month. During winter that could also mean heating on as well as not being mobile you tend to feel the cold more. 

I am not stereotyping anyone, I know many people who work who are struggling and they are getting very little help as they are just above the cut. 

I go for a run / bike ride most mornings before work or if not try to squeeze one in after work, I am up around 6am every morning. My point is that to save energy people have to change long term habits, some of it is beneficial which is an added bonus, if you can afford to pay £18 per month just to game everyday then your choice, but if you cannot afford it and there are alternatives that do not cost then people should be considering those alternatives. No point in moaning about rising costs that everyone is facing if your not prepared to change your ways. As you highlighted everything is rising, so choices have to be made if after all support is allocated you are still struggling to cover all the bills.