Inner porch door, outer door glass?

Niv

I have to admit, I would just put a sign on the front door saying 'door opens outwards'. If people cant be bothered to read it they will learn pretty fast...

(I know its been suggested before but it really is the best solution if the genuine only reason for changing the door is bopping the odd person on the nose).

greensalad

Niv said:

I have to admit, I would just put a sign on the front door saying 'door opens outwards'. If people cant be bothered to read it they will learn pretty fast...

(I know its been suggested before but it really is the best solution if the genuine only reason for changing the door is bopping the odd person on the nose).

That's not the only reason. The door is changing anyway as it's old and needs to go. I was just trying to find a solution to make the whole approach better at the same time.

greensalad

Bendy_House said:

These are good points, and quite possibly some insulation would ideally be needed on the newly-exposed ~250mm parts of the room walls which will now be inside a colder porch. 

In practice, I'm not sure this will actually be an issue, as these small strips of internal wall will not be unlike any internal wall which is shared with an unheated room in the house. It is not the same, not nearly as bad, as the wall being 'outside'.

If there was a concern, then the parts of these internal walls now finding themselves inside the porch can be lined with insulated plasterboard, but I doubt it'll be an issue in any event.

I got point 2 completely wrong, tho', as the whole idea IS to have a new outside door, one that opens the 'correct' way. So it won't be cheaper!

This obviously has to be your call, but I am certain it's what I would do. My priority would be to reverse that outside door.

I've just measured the 'swing' of our front door, and it's 810mm, so your internal door would likely need to move 300mm. 

Who would be doing the job? A general builder? A 'handypeep'? A competent colleague? Whoever, perhaps get quotes for a few scenarios?

Good point on it being shared with the internal part of the house. I guess it wouldn't be so bad to insulate.

I've got a decent proper builder who has just completed a great job moving a doorway and adding two new walls upstairs, so it'd be him. He's a general builder so would bring on plasterers/electricians. I'm not sure if window and door fitting is a specific trade, I guess he'd know someone in the biz who would manufacture it and fit it? (He's recommended plumbers, leccys and roofers to us so far and they've all been fab). So I will speak to him and find out what he thinks about us possibly removing the whole internal door. There would be enough room to open the font door inwards if we removed the porch part. And I wouldn't have to wreck my lovely laminate if I put down coir. 

Bendy_House

greensalad said:

Good point on it being shared with the internal part of the house. I guess it wouldn't be so bad to insulate.

I've got a decent proper builder who has just completed a great job moving a doorway and adding two new walls upstairs, so it'd be him. He's a general builder so would bring on plasterers/electricians. I'm not sure if window and door fitting is a specific trade, I guess he'd know someone in the biz who would manufacture it and fit it? (He's recommended plumbers, leccys and roofers to us so far and they've all been fab). So I will speak to him and find out what he thinks about us possibly removing the whole internal door. There would be enough room to open the font door inwards if we removed the porch part. And I wouldn't have to wreck my lovely laminate if I put down coir. 

I repeat - I'm not suggesting you remove the inner door at all, but move it further in by ~300mm. Porches are useful and attractive things, and yours is no exception.

Yes, it would sadly mess up your laminate flooring, although to relay just the porch shouldn't cost much - it'll be little over 1m2. Or, and nice wide mat to cover the join where the frame used to be!

Please consider it: a useful porch that you can close the inside door whilst opening the outside one to callers, deliveries - you NEED that in winter and windy weather. An external door that - GASP! - open inwards! You can see just how much more attractive and acceptable that is?

If it's prohibitively costly, then fair do's.

markin

As the laminate is cut around that box i have to wonder what is in it, Just the internet router or a power meter? If you moved the door back will the be good clearance to the steps, doors that hit the steps is just silly.