Updating photo driving license

sevenhills

I have attempted to update my phone license, but it kept failing.
My details don't match. My driving licence does not include my middle name. But my passport does.
Do I just apply for a new license, my license is clean.

diystarter7

Does it really matter i my middle name is not inc?

Can you not use anything else like a bank statement and council tax letter and or rent book?

TooManyPoints

You don't need a new licence. Unless you have a licence restricted because of medical reasons, your licence (i.e. your "entitlement to drive") lasts until you are 70.

diystarter7

Dot do it oline

here

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/renew-driving-licence/

Jenni_D

TooManyPoints said:

You don't need a new licence. Unless you have a licence restricted because of medical reasons, your licence (i.e. your "entitlement to drive") lasts until you are 70.

You're right regarding entitlement, but if it's a photocard "licence" then failure to renew it may risk the holder a £1,000 fine.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/motorists-reminded-of-the-importance-in-renewing-their-photocard-driving-licences

TooManyPoints

You're right regarding entitlement, but if it's a photocard "licence" then failure to renew it may risk the holder a £1,000 fine.

Quite true. But the licence and the photocard are two entirely separate entities. The offence of holding a recently expired photocard is very rarely prosecuted and if action is taken it usually attracts a fixed penalty of £100. In the unlikely event of a case reaching court it would attract a fine of half a week's net income (reduced by a third for a guilty plea) and, in common with all offences, a first time offender would be fined no more than 75% of the statutory maximum (before discount). Nobody would pay a fine of £1,000 for the offence unless they were persistent offenders with a very high income and they contested the matter and were found guilty following a trial. Descriptions of motoring offences often come with a government warning attached threatening the statutory maximum fine. Whilst in theory those warnings are perfectly accurate, when considering what would really happen, they become disreputable.

Aretnap

TooManyPoints said:

You're right regarding entitlement, but if it's a photocard "licence" then failure to renew it may risk the holder a £1,000 fine.

The offence of holding a recently expired photocard is very rarely prosecuted and if action is taken it usually attracts a fixed penalty of £100.

Does it? Failure to surrender an expired photo card (Road Traffic Act section 99) doesn't appear to be on the list of fixed penalty offences. Probably because it's so rarely prosecuted that there's no pressing need for a fixed penalty to take the load off the courts. 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/schedule/3

TooManyPoints

Aretnap said:

TooManyPoints said:

You're right regarding entitlement, but if it's a photocard "licence" then failure to renew it may risk the holder a £1,000 fine.

The offence of holding a recently expired photocard is very rarely prosecuted and if action is taken it usually attracts a fixed penalty of £100.

Does it? Failure to surrender an expired photo card (Road Traffic Act section 99) doesn't appear to be on the list of fixed penalty offences. Probably because it's so rarely prosecuted that there's no pressing need for a fixed penalty to take the load off the courts. 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/schedule/3

Thanks for that correction. I hadn't checked and made a wrong assumption.

born_again

sevenhills said:

I have attempted to update my phone license, but it kept failing.
My details don't match. My driving licence does not include my middle name. But my passport does.
Do I just apply for a new license, my license is clean.

Go to one of the post offices where you can renew.
No need for passport. They take DL details, new photo while you are there & send it off. Should get it back within a week. This even worked during covid lockdowns.

DB1904

Aretnap said:

TooManyPoints said:

You're right regarding entitlement, but if it's a photocard "licence" then failure to renew it may risk the holder a £1,000 fine.

The offence of holding a recently expired photocard is very rarely prosecuted and if action is taken it usually attracts a fixed penalty of £100.

Does it? Failure to surrender an expired photo card (Road Traffic Act section 99) doesn't appear to be on the list of fixed penalty offences. Probably because it's so rarely prosecuted that there's no pressing need for a fixed penalty to take the load off the courts. 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/schedule/3

Maybe the confusion has come from the offence of driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence £100 and three points on the fixed penalty. Expired photo card however doesn't carry points but it's a separate offence of driving otherwise than in accordance.

TooManyPoints

Maybe the confusion has come from the offence of driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence £100 and three points on the fixed penalty.

No, there was no confusion, DB. I simply assumed and didn't check! I must say it's odd that the offence is not eligible for a fixed penalty, but there it is.