Civil service job cuts

sammyjammy

stig said:

Don’t forget that some of the civil service  jobs are at any particular time vacancies, where someone has moved on and not yet been replaced.  My directorate was very rarely fully staffed and often carried 10-20% of posts for which we were funded but  currently vacant. ‘Giving up’ some of these currently vacant posts i.e. making a temporary staff shortage permanent and officially reducing the size of teams would count towards these reductions in overall numbers of civil servants without anyone losing their job. 

Same here, I work in DWP HO, any cuts we get will all go in the corporate centre, they always do and quite right too.  Voluntary redundancy pays more than compulsory, I've worked in this Dept for 31 years in its various guises and people have always gone on voluntary, there will be a queue at the door!

TELLIT01

lincroft1710 said:

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

There were certainly forced redundancies when DWP decided to get rid of the Admin Assistant grade.  Many left from the office I worked in.  A few were able to get Admin Officer jobs but the majority were made redundant.

Emmia

lincroft1710 said:

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

A little over a decade ago a reduction exercise did lead to good people being made redundant...

sammyjammy

TELLIT01 said:

lincroft1710 said:

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

There were certainly forced redundancies when DWP decided to get rid of the Admin Assistant grade.  Many left from the office I worked in.  A few were able to get Admin Officer jobs but the majority were made redundant.

I think you are misremembering, after vol redundancies were done all those left were given an automatic promotion to AO grade, it was only those who chose not to take that there were made compulsorily redundant, their own decision.

antonic

Harrybrown100121 said:

Any civil servant here who are worried about their job following the 91000 job cuts announcement 

No, as I work in a specialist team in my Civil Service Department.

TELLIT01

I'm not misremembering anything.  The redundancies were compulsory for those who were unable to take on AO responsibilities.  A number of our AAs had been moved over the years from AO roles because they were not fitted to, or capable of doing, the AO role as the role became more demanding.  In our office I can only think of 2 from about 20 AAs who moved to AO roles.  Many were in tears as they didn't want to leave.  Had they been able to stay, they would have.

lisyloo

TELLIT01 said:

I'm not misremembering anything.  The redundancies were compulsory for those who were unable to take on AO responsibilities.  A number of our AAs had been moved over the years from AO roles because they were not fitted to, or capable of doing, the AO role as the role became more demanding.  In our office I can only think of 2 from about 20 AAs who moved to AO roles.  Many were in tears as they didn't want to leave.  Had they been able to stay, they would have.

Is it different now though?
i work in IT and salaries and opportunities are better than I can ever remember over the last 32 years.

lincroft1710

TELLIT01 said:

lincroft1710 said:

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

There were certainly forced redundancies when DWP decided to get rid of the Admin Assistant grade.  Many left from the office I worked in.  A few were able to get Admin Officer jobs but the majority were made redundant.

When my dept was being slimmed down both Voluntary Redundancy and Early Retirement were oversubscribed. Previously when they abolished the Typing grades all the typists were made Admin Assistants

TELLIT01

lincroft1710 said:

TELLIT01 said:

lincroft1710 said:

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

There were certainly forced redundancies when DWP decided to get rid of the Admin Assistant grade.  Many left from the office I worked in.  A few were able to get Admin Officer jobs but the majority were made redundant.

When my dept was being slimmed down both Voluntary Redundancy and Early Retirement were oversubscribed. Previously when they abolished the Typing grades all the typists were made Admin Assistants

You are going back way before my time and I obviously can't comment on the process then.  All I can repeat is that most of the AAs in our office either wouldn't or couldn't take on the AO roles.  All AOs were involved in claims processing and it is (or was) very complex work.

Greymug

As an IT contractor, for me in particular, these redundancies are good news.

You can't cut that many jobs and expect the same amount of output. As soon as the departments will see how much they struggle to deliver their programmes, since they can't' hire permanent staff they'll go and hire IT contractors for hundreds of pounds a day.

And that's where I'll be, waiting and licking my fingers, thinking about how I'm going to spend all this disposable income.