Civil service job cuts 3 June 2022 at 9:06PM in Employment, jobseeking & training 34 replies 2.2K views

Harrybrown100121

Any civil servant here who are worried about their job following the 91000 job cuts announcement 

annabanana82

No, we can't recruit and have people resigning/retiring/reducing hours still. I don't think we'll see many if any redundancies. 

We may at a push see a small department or two TUPE across to a Contractor because that's worked for fudging the numbers in the past 🙄

Marcon

Harrybrown100121 said:

Any civil servant here who are worried about their job following the 91000 job cuts announcement 

Given you were thinking of leaving a couple of months ago https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6343838/civil-service-pension-or-private-pension/p1 being made redundant might help the house buying issue?

lisyloo

annabanana82 said:

No, we can't recruit and have people resigning/retiring/reducing hours still. I don't think we'll see many if any redundancies. 

We may at a push see a small department or two TUPE across to a Contractor because that's worked for fudging the numbers in the past 🙄

Just out of curiosity why do you think that is?
I wonder whether Rees mogg isn’t helping with the attitude to WFH and hybrid working?
especially around London and the SE where commutes can be long and expensive.

or just the general lack of employees due to brexit (immigration) and the pandemic bringing forward some retirements and career changes?

personally I think there’s never been a more employee friendly job market.

OrbitHeadache

I started a thread about this when the news broke.

Even though I am still anxious about it from what I have heard from within from my department anyway will be cuts will be done via natural wastage + recruitment freeze. 

Also bear in mind that Boris is really pushing this and that could change quickly considering their are rumours that the PM might face a vote of no confidence on Monday or Tuesday.

A new PM might have different ideas about the civil service.

Andy_L

About 40k leave per year. Now some of them are leaving to transfer to another department but even so natural wastage will easily reach the 90k target

OrbitHeadache

Andy_L said:

About 40k leave per year. Now some of them are leaving to transfer to another department but even so natural wastage will easily reach the 90k target

We will see.

Interestingly in my department we had new starters after the decision about job cuts.

So not sure if they were legally required to take on those who had job offers or these job cuts are not what they seem.

stig

Don’t forget that some of the civil service  jobs are at any particular time vacancies, where someone has moved on and not yet been replaced.  My directorate was very rarely fully staffed and often carried 10-20% of posts for which we were funded but  currently vacant. ‘Giving up’ some of these currently vacant posts i.e. making a temporary staff shortage permanent and officially reducing the size of teams would count towards these reductions in overall numbers of civil servants without anyone losing their job. 

lincroft1710

"CIVIL SERVICE JOB CUTS"


Now where have I heard that before???


Only from about every UK government for the past 60 years!!


In reality there are few if any forced redundancies and if you are any good at your job, they won't be in a hurry to add your name to the list.

annabanana82

lisyloo said:

annabanana82 said:

No, we can't recruit and have people resigning/retiring/reducing hours still. I don't think we'll see many if any redundancies. 

We may at a push see a small department or two TUPE across to a Contractor because that's worked for fudging the numbers in the past 🙄

Just out of curiosity why do you think that is?
I wonder whether Rees mogg isn’t helping with the attitude to WFH and hybrid working?
especially around London and the SE where commutes can be long and expensive.

or just the general lack of employees due to brexit (immigration) and the pandemic bringing forward some retirements and career changes?

personally I think there’s never been a more employee friendly job market.

lisyloo said:

annabanana82 said:

No, we can't recruit and have people resigning/retiring/reducing hours still. I don't think we'll see many if any redundancies. 

We may at a push see a small department or two TUPE across to a Contractor because that's worked for fudging the numbers in the past 🙄

Just out of curiosity why do you think that is?
I wonder whether Rees mogg isn’t helping with the attitude to WFH and hybrid working?
especially around London and the SE where commutes can be long and expensive.

or just the general lack of employees due to brexit (immigration) and the pandemic bringing forward some retirements and career changes?

personally I think there’s never been a more employee friendly job market.

We have struggled for a long time with recruitment so can't blame brexit. Despite my department being given some pay freedoms several years back, salaries have stagnated, new starter salaries have reduced significantly and don't match other CS departments nevermind private companies. The pay progression is not clear and pretty much reliant on promotion.
 
The recruitment process is incredibly long winded, those that are successful you have to hope they still want to join maybe 3 months later. 

From what I've heard some new recruits aren't being well supported by their teams when having to work remotely, if this is common knowledge then this must put some off applying.

Then to top it all off you have the constant bashing of CS by the Daily mail, now the threat of redundancies too. 

mjm3346

Moving a significant number of jobs to the barren wastelands of the North will help with "levelling up" and save on pay (which long term saves on pensions) and related expenses plus office costs are lower - add in some job cuts at the same time and save money and meet a promise. (Hiving the work off to the private sector would also work)