Sneaky move by EDF.

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Mstty said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

See what it says here is this accurate as well

https://www.moneysupermarket.com/store/gas-and-electricity/enquiry/

Pretty close, but I may have plugged figures into their site in the last year or two. I have tried several comparison sites. Or do they have some access to industry readings data?

It appears they have insights into industrial readings, it has been discussed on another thread where some think it's a bit dodgy on GDPR as you can also check your neighbours out as well. Which is fun

I believe that on a transfer of supply the gaining supplier’s data collector is provided with 2 years of historical/validated readings by the old supplier’s data collector. Where a smart meter is fitted, the new supplier can retrieve 13 months of usage data with a manual meter pull. Future price comparisons will also be managed by pulling a year’s data from a smart meter.

Staffordian11

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

bristolleedsfan

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Staffordian11

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

From memory, standing charges were the same, and the unit cost of one fuel was a little dearer, and one a little cheaper.

bristolleedsfan

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

Hopefully comparison of rates in this post nails what I said - June 24 fixed with £200 exit fee dual fuel more expensive than May 24 fixed rate with £300 exit fee dual fuel.

Differential in rates would be similar for your region.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79243028/#Comment_79243028

Staffordian11

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

Hopefully comparison of rates in this post nails fact June 24 fixed with £200 exit fee dual fuel more expensive than May 24 fixed rate with £300 exit fee dual fuel.

Differential in rates would be similar for your region.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79243028/#Comment_79243028

Thanks, I'll look into that. I wonder if I'm comparing my actual figure with EDF's estimate rather than comparing my May with my June figures.

I must admit I didn't look too closely because I could instantly see they were too high for my liking.

Staffordian11

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

Hopefully comparison of rates in this post nails what I said - June 24 fixed with £200 exit fee dual fuel more expensive than May 24 fixed rate with £300 exit fee dual fuel.

Differential in rates would be similar for your region.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79243028/#Comment_79243028

Mind you, if June is dearer than May it reinforces my OP.  EDF must have revised my usage down twice...

bristolleedsfan

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

Hopefully comparison of rates in this post nails what I said - June 24 fixed with £200 exit fee dual fuel more expensive than May 24 fixed rate with £300 exit fee dual fuel.

Differential in rates would be similar for your region.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79243028/#Comment_79243028

Mind you, if June is dearer than May it reinforces my OP.  EDF must have revised my usage down twice...

Meter readings submitted get sent to a central industry database, I have been told it is that database which automatically sends updated estimated annual usage figures to the suppliers.

Best way to compare tariffs is SC and kWh rates.

born_again

Staffordian11 said:

I'm with EDF, not by choice, but moved after Uility Point went bust.

Currently on the default capped rate, but I monior their fixed rate offers to see if it might be worth swapping.

Their 2 year fixed was £197 for me, and last week it fell to £190.  

Yesterday, it fell to £184. But when I plugged their rates into my spreadsheet, which I always do rather than take their word for any deal, they were identical to the rates the week before when they quoted £190.

So I assume they have reduced my estimated usage and based a lower fix on that.  Not sure how they've done that when they have not had a reading from me since asking for one at the end of March, but still...

Just something to be aware of if a deal looks better than it did.

Get into the habit of sending them a reading each month.

That way you only get billed for what you have used & not what they think you might have. 👍

bristolleedsfan

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Staffordian11 said:

Mstty said:

If you have a smart meter then they are probably getting readings and being a low energy use time of year that may account for the recalculation.

I presume the fix plan name.has.stayed the same and more importantly the kWh price which is really all that matters.

The one on offer to me is simply called Fix Total Service Long-Term and as far as I recall the previous one was the same, no version number etc. Just the end date in the description to indicate it might be different.

Others have posted on here about June 2024 with £200 dual fuel exit fee being more expensive than May 2024 fixed rate with £300 dual fuel exit fee which was highlighted in most recent MSE newsletter as being cheapest fixed rate available to existing customers. 

Interesting. The June one is marginally better for me. Maybe it depends on the ratio of gas to el3ctricity consumed, and possibly there are area differences?

What unit kWh and SC rates have you been offered?

Une fix is:
 Elec 48.13p SC 40.86p per kWh

Gas 27.22p SC 11.111p per kWh

I don't recall the May figures as I overwrite old ones when updating my spreadsheet.

Hopefully comparison of rates in this post nails fact June 24 fixed with £200 exit fee dual fuel more expensive than May 24 fixed rate with £300 exit fee dual fuel.

Differential in rates would be similar for your region.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79243028/#Comment_79243028

Thanks, I'll look into that. I wonder if I'm comparing my actual figure with EDF's estimate rather than comparing my May with my June figures.

I must admit I didn't look too closely because I could instantly see they were too high for my liking.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/79245231#Comment_79245231