Section 8 court hearing

SuseOrm

GDB2222 said:

SuseOrm said:

This is the game the council make them pay.  If shes a housing benefit recipient theres no financial game for them.  And now she has a bad credit rating to contend with.  Another example of demonising the poor.  It’s despicable.  

The tenant is getting housing benefit which she has not passed on for six months. So, yes, she’s made quite a big financial "game". 

That will be clawed back if she was on the old system of housing benefit which very few are.  On universal credit she wont have received a penny without demonstrating she passed it on each month.  

3card

SuseOrm said:

This is the game the council make them pay.  If shes a housing benefit recipient theres no financial game for them.  And now she has a bad credit rating to contend with.  Another example of demonising the poor.  It’s despicable.  

She has always told me she doesnt receive any benefit which i believed at the time because she worked a couple of jobs to earn her own money but around Oct 2021 she asked me for a copy of her tenancy agreement because she had lost hers and this makes me think she might be claiming housing benefit (UC) but not paying it towards her rent. But it might be part of the bigger picture in playing the game to get a council house.

The tenant/ landlord & the council all will know the end outcome so why string it out when its not going away

Demonising the poor? Surely the tenant has had the option to pay some rent between December and today but shes not interested in either paying any monies or even talking to my wife or I so sorry i have no sympathy for her at all

3card

GDB2222 said:

I’ve said on another thread that it’s outrageous that people can, or even think they can, jump the council waiting list by not paying rent. 

In principle the tenant has made herself intentionally homeless, and I don’t think that the council have an obligation to house her. However, the children are another matter. 

Im not sure about people can just jump the council housing list. Through no fault of their own some people can lose a good paying job and are no longer able to pay rents/mortgages  and need to fall back on the council
This is not the case with our situation as i know the tenant is still working for the same company she was with when she took the tenancy over

Richiem1987

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

3card

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

Richiem1987

3card said:

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

If she made contribrutions towards the rent every month but continuously fell into arrears and then got evicted, then the LA and CS would see it a different way and provide housing, but only after looking at her finances. CS will check everything, from having cupboards and fridge/freezer full of food to the parent(s) actually providing a safe home. As she has made no effort at all, then the LA and CS will see it as intentionally making her children homeless and place them into care. If the council housed every parent who witheld their rent to a private landlord, just to get themselves and their kids into social housing without having them placed into care, then they'd all be at it and would be plastered all over the Sun and the Daily Mail. 

She is going to have to suffer the concequences. If she wants her kids in her care, she will have to find herself suitable accomodation for them and pay her rent. She maybe a good mother, but CS will not see it that way. 

SuseOrm

Richiem1987 said:

3card said:

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

If she made contribrutions towards the rent every month but continuously fell into arrears and then got evicted, then the LA and CS would see it a different way and provide housing, but only after looking at her finances. CS will check everything, from having cupboards and fridge/freezer full of food to the parent(s) actually providing a safe home. As she has made no effort at all, then the LA and CS will see it as intentionally making her children homeless and place them into care. If the council housed every parent who witheld their rent to a private landlord, just to get themselves and their kids into social housing without having them placed into care, then they'd all be at it and would be plastered all over the Sun and the Daily Mail. 

She is going to have to suffer the concequences. If she wants her kids in her care, she will have to find herself suitable accomodation for them and pay her rent. She maybe a good mother, but CS will not see it that way. 

What absolute nonsense. 

Children are not put into care because parents loose their accomodation.  This isnt the 18th century with the poor houses … yet 🙄

Richiem1987

SuseOrm said:

Richiem1987 said:

3card said:

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

If she made contribrutions towards the rent every month but continuously fell into arrears and then got evicted, then the LA and CS would see it a different way and provide housing, but only after looking at her finances. CS will check everything, from having cupboards and fridge/freezer full of food to the parent(s) actually providing a safe home. As she has made no effort at all, then the LA and CS will see it as intentionally making her children homeless and place them into care. If the council housed every parent who witheld their rent to a private landlord, just to get themselves and their kids into social housing without having them placed into care, then they'd all be at it and would be plastered all over the Sun and the Daily Mail. 

She is going to have to suffer the concequences. If she wants her kids in her care, she will have to find herself suitable accomodation for them and pay her rent. She maybe a good mother, but CS will not see it that way. 

What absolute nonsense. 

Children are not put into care because parents loose their accomodation.  This isnt the 18th century with the poor houses … yet 🙄

If you are right, becuase she has children, she will get accomodation off the local authority, despite witholding rent. If that is the case, then it is really unfair on private LLs and those already on the HA waiting lists. 

SuseOrm

Richiem1987 said:

SuseOrm said:

Richiem1987 said:

3card said:

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

If she made contribrutions towards the rent every month but continuously fell into arrears and then got evicted, then the LA and CS would see it a different way and provide housing, but only after looking at her finances. CS will check everything, from having cupboards and fridge/freezer full of food to the parent(s) actually providing a safe home. As she has made no effort at all, then the LA and CS will see it as intentionally making her children homeless and place them into care. If the council housed every parent who witheld their rent to a private landlord, just to get themselves and their kids into social housing without having them placed into care, then they'd all be at it and would be plastered all over the Sun and the Daily Mail. 

She is going to have to suffer the concequences. If she wants her kids in her care, she will have to find herself suitable accomodation for them and pay her rent. She maybe a good mother, but CS will not see it that way. 

What absolute nonsense. 

Children are not put into care because parents loose their accomodation.  This isnt the 18th century with the poor houses … yet 🙄

If you are right, becuase she has children, she will get accomodation off the local authority, despite witholding rent. If that is the case, then it is really unfair on private LLs and those already on the HA waiting lists. 

Perhaps if it wasn’t such a bleeding pantomime people wouldn’t need to goes to such efforts to secure secure affordable accomodation and wouldn’t harm the private landlord in the process playing the game.  

Richiem1987

SuseOrm said:

Richiem1987 said:

SuseOrm said:

Richiem1987 said:

3card said:

Richiem1987 said:

As she has children, then they have to house the children, as its not their fault. The tenenant may well assume that just becuase she has children, they will have to house her as well, and that is not always the case. If the council finds she has intentionally made herself and therefore her children homeless, childrens services will apply for an emergency care holder for her children, until the mother can find suitable accomodation, which wont be easy with her history and a CCJ hanging over her head. CS will also give her the oppertunity for a family member to house the children if space is available. She will still be entitled to access to her children (unless there are other issues of course).

I have no reason to think she is anything other than a  good mother and her kids look very happy and i would be unhappy if they were split up as a family

Saying this she has no interest in any effects her actions have taken on our household. We purchased this property in preparation for my retirement but i was made redundant in 2020 and even looking at part time employment hasnt worked out for me so the revenue from this property was a decent chunk of our income

Sadly when some tenants see landlords are helpful they see it as a sign of weakness and think they can get away with anything 

If she made contribrutions towards the rent every month but continuously fell into arrears and then got evicted, then the LA and CS would see it a different way and provide housing, but only after looking at her finances. CS will check everything, from having cupboards and fridge/freezer full of food to the parent(s) actually providing a safe home. As she has made no effort at all, then the LA and CS will see it as intentionally making her children homeless and place them into care. If the council housed every parent who witheld their rent to a private landlord, just to get themselves and their kids into social housing without having them placed into care, then they'd all be at it and would be plastered all over the Sun and the Daily Mail. 

She is going to have to suffer the concequences. If she wants her kids in her care, she will have to find herself suitable accomodation for them and pay her rent. She maybe a good mother, but CS will not see it that way. 

What absolute nonsense. 

Children are not put into care because parents loose their accomodation.  This isnt the 18th century with the poor houses … yet 🙄

If you are right, becuase she has children, she will get accomodation off the local authority, despite witholding rent. If that is the case, then it is really unfair on private LLs and those already on the HA waiting lists. 

Perhaps if it wasn’t such a bleeding pantomime people wouldn’t need to goes to such efforts to secure secure affordable accomodation and wouldn’t harm the private landlord in the process playing the game.  

Agree with you there. It is just how it is.