Zellig Car Park, Deritend, Birmingham

AndreasA

Hi everyone,

I have received not one, but two NTK from Parallel Parking Ltd for Zellig Car Park in Birmingham B5 5SU.
I am trying to appeal these as the registered keeper of the vehicle, and after reading the introduction post, it seems the best course of action is to appeal to the landowner ASAP however I'm struggling to find this. 

If I can't, is the next-best course of action to appeal online using the template in the FAQ thread for Registered Keepers? 

I would also appreciate if anyone had any direct experience with Parallel Parking or this parking area.

Kind regards,
A

Umkomaas

Here are some ideas on determining who the landowner is:

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

Was this a notice through the post, or a ticket placed on your windscreen?

AndreasA

Umkomaas said:

Here are some ideas on determining who the landowner is:

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

Was this a notice through the post, or a ticket placed on your windscreen?

Thanks a lot, I'll try exploring some of those options.
It came through the post, how come?

Umkomaas

AndreasA said:

Umkomaas said:

Here are some ideas on determining who the landowner is:

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

Was this a notice through the post, or a ticket placed on your windscreen?

Thanks a lot, I'll try exploring some of those options.
It came through the post, how come?

The majority of parking charges come that way. 

What is the date of the parking contravention?  

What is the Date of Issue shown on the first letter you received from them?

Does it have the necessary Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) warning - see the NEWBIES FAQ Announcement, first post to help you check it?

AndreasA

Umkomaas said:

AndreasA said:

Umkomaas said:

Here are some ideas on determining who the landowner is:

1. Google searches

2. If a retail park, check on any signage which lists the on-site outlets

3. Ask retailers on the site if there is a managing agent

4. Ask retailers on the site to whom do they pay rent

5. Contact the local authority and ask who pays the non-domestic/business rate for the car park (some councils have a spreadsheet on their website)

6. Contact the local Valuation Office and ask if they know. They often have a website which might provide the information 

7. Contact The Land Registry and for around £3 they should be able to provide definitive detail

Was this a notice through the post, or a ticket placed on your windscreen?

Thanks a lot, I'll try exploring some of those options.
It came through the post, how come?

The majority of parking charges come that way. 

What is the date of the parking contravention?  

What is the Date of Issue shown on the first letter you received from them?

Does it have the necessary Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) warning - see the NEWBIES FAQ Announcement, first post to help you check it?

Notice: 17/05 and 18/05. 
Date of Contravention: 13/05 and 14/05

There is no mention on this about Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, just mention of the DVLA and regulation 27(1)(e) of Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002. 

Umkomaas

OK, let's have a look at one of the NtKs - both sides - please. Redact any personal identifying information, but leave any dates showing. 

AndreasA

I have attached them here:

Coupon-mad

Yep, you can see the POFA wording there.  So they can hold the keeper liable.

What happened?

Why was the driver there and why unauthorised?

Do the signs require a permit or to use a keypad inside premises to exempt/permit the car VRM?

AndreasA

Coupon-mad said:

Yep, you can see the POFA wording there.  So they can hold the keeper liable.

What happened?

Why was the driver there and why unauthorised?

Do the signs require a permit or to use a keypad inside premises to exempt/permit the car VRM?

Parked there late at night as I was staying nearby and paid for parking, apparently I left too late the following morning. 

There was a pay machine which was the only indicator of charges (there was roadworks going on leading into the carpark), apparently the window for payment is inside 8am - 22pm from what I recall.

I would think there is a certain grace period if you've paid the night before, but I'm not sure?

AndreasA

Any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated! 

Umkomaas

AndreasA said:

Any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated! 

Deal with it now via initial appeal as per the NEWBIES FAQ Announcement, first post.  Be aware that unless you can obtain a landowner cancellation, there is no quick fix.  Doesn't mean you should be paying them, only a Judge can instruct you to do that. Whether the PPC will go as far as a court claim lies at their discretion. They have 6 years to pursue a court claim.