Noisy neighbours and their barking dogs

Woolsery

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

LHZ

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

Wow! Well bless your neighbour for rescuing dogs in need of rescue, regardless of their nationality. 

Slithery

Woolsery said:

The owners might also be breeding

Unless your neighbors are having incredibly loud sex why would that be an issue?

Noneforit999

Phil4432 said:

Noneforit999 said:

They have 12 dogs? 12!?!?

Jeez, trying to train that many dogs not to bark is never going to happen.

If it were a couple then sure, some effort from them or a Dog trainer might work but that many is impossible. 

If you want to do something about it, your most effective option is to move really. The council could be a first step but ultimately it might make it harder to sell if you need to be honest on the dispute part of the forms.

Where we live the housing association flats opposite have 1-2 dogs in several of the flats. The owners often go out and the dogs just bark and bark and bark, great fun when you have the window open in the summer and are trying to do Zoom calls for work. Although that is not the primary reason for us moving, its certainly part of it. 

Having to move because of barking dogs, is a forceful eviction.  We should not have to do this because of irresponsible dog owners.

The reality is you cannot control what others do. Unless you move to the middle of nowhere with not a neighbour in sight, you are going to have some level of noise.

We are about to move next door to an elderly couple. We have a dog (barks when the door goes), a toddler (he can be loud) and a Sonos 5.1 surround sound system in the lounge. We are certainly not 'loud' but ultimately its going to be louder for the neighbours than the previous also elderly couple who lived there.

The council is the best route here if moving is not an option. Will the council do much? I would doubt it personally but its worth a go.

You could call the RSPCA but as others have said, if the dogs have shelter and food and are clearly not being neglected, they will be hesitant to do anything about it. Lets face it, unless there is clearly a case of mistreatment, they don't want the hassle of trying to rehome 12 dogs. 

Unfortunately the reality is that you cannot always control what your neighbours do and the only thing you can control is what you do, i.e. move. 

Woolsery

Noneforit999 said:

Phil4432 said:

Noneforit999 said:

They have 12 dogs? 12!?!?

Jeez, trying to train that many dogs not to bark is never going to happen.

If it were a couple then sure, some effort from them or a Dog trainer might work but that many is impossible. 

If you want to do something about it, your most effective option is to move really. The council could be a first step but ultimately it might make it harder to sell if you need to be honest on the dispute part of the forms.

Where we live the housing association flats opposite have 1-2 dogs in several of the flats. The owners often go out and the dogs just bark and bark and bark, great fun when you have the window open in the summer and are trying to do Zoom calls for work. Although that is not the primary reason for us moving, its certainly part of it. 

Having to move because of barking dogs, is a forceful eviction.  We should not have to do this because of

Unfortunately the reality is that you cannot always control what your neighbours do and the only thing you can control is what you do, i.e. move. 

Although in this case it may be sensible to wait and see:

Lizmoretti said:

The couple split-up several months ago and the husband no longer lives there, so we’re assuming (hoping) they will soon be moving, but they’re in a planning dispute having built on their property without permission which I think is holding-up the process.

Nothing is for ever, but sometimes things go on too long. We once moved because someone planted leylandii that would have blighted the property. They're still doing so, 35years later!

GixerKate

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

This has made me laugh!! As an owner of a Romanian street dog I can say you are completely off the mark with your judgements.

To the OP, its a real shame that you have this going on.  Have you spoken to the owner(s) and let them know how much its impacting you?  Is the barking when the dogs are in the garden or also inside the house? What size are the dogs?  With some dogs it is possible to reduce the barking through training but for some breeds my understanding is that its very difficult to stop the barking.  12 seems like a lot! Not a normal number for a typical dog owner so perhaps there is something more going on than just owning a few dogs, perhaps involved with dog charity work and is a dog fosterer perhaps?

If you can rule out breeding, dog fostering etc then perhaps a word with the RSPCA helpline, if you can get through.  Its doubtful that they will do anything however having so many dogs in what I assume is a normal sized house with a normal sized garden could be enough to warrant an inspection, I'm not too hopeful on this though.

Woolsery

GixerKate said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

This has made me laugh!! As an owner of a Romanian street dog I can say you are completely off the mark with your judgements.

Lots of things asserted by the BBC and other major news channels have made me laugh too in the last couple of years, but that's because I know more than the basics and see their bias.

If you're to convince me it's desirable to import foreign stray dogs into the UK you'll have to do better than telling me I'm "off the mark." I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the unwanted pet situation, so I'm willing to learn why  it's not  bound to need more resources and cost some British dogs the chance of a home.

 

Phil4432

Noneforit999 said:

Phil4432 said:

Noneforit999 said:

They have 12 dogs? 12!?!?

Jeez, trying to train that many dogs not to bark is never going to happen.

If it were a couple then sure, some effort from them or a Dog trainer might work but that many is impossible. 

If you want to do something about it, your most effective option is to move really. The council could be a first step but ultimately it might make it harder to sell if you need to be honest on the dispute part of the forms.

Where we live the housing association flats opposite have 1-2 dogs in several of the flats. The owners often go out and the dogs just bark and bark and bark, great fun when you have the window open in the summer and are trying to do Zoom calls for work. Although that is not the primary reason for us moving, its certainly part of it. 

Having to move because of barking dogs, is a forceful eviction.  We should not have to do this because of irresponsible dog owners.

The reality is you cannot control what others do. Unless you move to the middle of nowhere with not a neighbour in sight, you are going to have some level of noise.

When you are controlling how others sleep, relax after work then you are not only controlling their lives, you are ruining them.

Noise isn't the issue here, its excessive noise taking away a right to reasonable peace and quiet.  Most probably don't take issue with the occasional lawnmower.  Barking all day and all night is unreasonable.

GixerKate

Woolsery said:

GixerKate said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

This has made me laugh!! As an owner of a Romanian street dog I can say you are completely off the mark with your judgements.

Lots of things asserted by the BBC and other major news channels have made me laugh too in the last couple of years, but that's because I know more than the basics and see their bias.

If you're to convince me it's desirable to import foreign stray dogs into the UK you'll have to do better than telling me I'm "off the mark." I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the unwanted pet situation, so I'm willing to learn why  it's not  bound to need more resources and cost some British dogs the chance of a home.

 

Fair enough.  When my family and I were in the right place to home a rescue dog we went first to the UK rescue places, I think we tried 8 different charities, most didn't even bother getting in contact with us despite multiple emails and voicemails  and the ones who did had such a massive list of requirements we were judged 'not suitable' (reasons including having children, already having a dog, not being home every day indefinitely - I worked from home most days but would occasionally go to the office), although several did say they would put us on the waiting list but we never heard anything afterwards, none of them even bothered to do a home check.  We gave up on rehoming a rescue pup until someone put us in touch with a Romanian rescue.  They did a home check and spent ages discussing the possible extra needs a likely-traumatised pup would need.  They then sent through a list of available pups and stressed all the health requirements (vaccinations, passport etc) and then the pup was shipped over.

We just wanted to give a home to a dog who needed one but unfortunately the self-imposed red tape of the UK-based charities made it impossible to go through them so we found another way.  I've spoken to many other dog owners who have faced similar situations, sadly it seems the UK-based charities are not doing themselves any favours and its the dogs who suffer.

Woolsery

GixerKate said:

Woolsery said:

GixerKate said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

Woolsery said:

LHZ said:

I have every sympathy with the OP but I wanted to suggest that, rather than the owners being neglectful or cruel they may actually be involved in rescue and rehoming. Fighting the good fight if you will.

 Yes, a neighbour near us has rescued 4 Romanian street dogs now. She thinks they'e more deserving than British dogs.

Did your neighbour actually say that or are you just being a bit silly?

I'm not 'being silly.' It's obvious to me that someone who goes out of their way to obtain stray dogs from a foreign country must either think they are somehow more deserving than unwanted British  pets, or they're intent on some sort of weird virtue signalling.

I'm being generous and assuming the former rather than the latter.

This has made me laugh!! As an owner of a Romanian street dog I can say you are completely off the mark with your judgements.

Lots of things asserted by the BBC and other major news channels have made me laugh too in the last couple of years, but that's because I know more than the basics and see their bias.

If you're to convince me it's desirable to import foreign stray dogs into the UK you'll have to do better than telling me I'm "off the mark." I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the unwanted pet situation, so I'm willing to learn why  it's not  bound to need more resources and cost some British dogs the chance of a home.

 

We just wanted to give a home to a dog who needed one but unfortunately the self-imposed red tape of the UK-based charities made it impossible to go through them so we found another way.  I've spoken to many other dog owners who have faced similar situations, sadly it seems the UK-based charities are not doing themselves any favours and its the dogs who suffer.

That's amazing, and sad. Thanks for the info. I've not had any dealings with British rescues for over 20 years, but I knew one when we lived in the city. Although it had procedures to follow, it was well-run and several friends also had dogs or cats from there.

There are dogs that will never be re-homed and I wonder if they are clogging-up the system in the UK nowadays.