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Noisy neighbours and their barking dogs

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  • Lizmoretti
    Lizmoretti Posts: 41 Forumite
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    GDB2222 said:
    Phil4432 said:
    Barking dogs are unfortunately a growing infestation of the UK.  As dog ownership and the number of ignorant dog owners go up, we don't have the laws to ensure peace and quiet in our society.  The result is the Third World in the First World.

    The barking dog owner is usually of the anti social type, which is why they choose to disturb other people with animals.
    So remain as anonymous as you can with your complaints.

    Their barking rats are far more important, then your right to peace and quiet.  I once spoke to the parent of a newborn baby.  They'd politely asked the neighbour to restrict their dog barking at night, as the baby couldn't sleep.  The barking dog owner didn't care.  Little poodle pumpkins barking, was a source of great joy for them.  Far more important than a sleeping baby.

    The council may do something, but its going to be a very long process.

    Those same laws that didn't give me peace and quiet, didn't give them peace and quiet either.  So, you could take a more direct route if you are so inclined.  Maybe give doggie some heavy metal to bark along to.    There's quite a few options if you wish to take this approach.  

    It's better to remain as anonymous as you can though; keep letters polite, direct and anonymous.  The barking dog owner is usually very paranoid, as all bully's are.  Not knowing if the letter came from the sweet old lady opposite, or the heavyweight boxer down the street will get to them.

    I don't advocate cruelty, but there have been stories of people losing sleep over a period of years and driven mad to the point of killing the barking dog.  I don't advocate this, but I can understand it.  Nastiest sound in the world.   
    The problem is that it's very, very difficult to stop a dog barking. 
    It is difficult but certainly not impossible.  But next door don’t even appear to try.  And with as many dogs as they have, they’ve created a pack of dogs rather than just a companion.
  • Rosa_Damascena
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    OP, your neighbour sounds thoroughly irresponsible!
    No man is worth crawling on this earth.

    So much to read, so little time.
  • staffie1
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    rach_k said:
    If you ever try to sell and the dogs really do bark constantly, any potential buyer is going to spot the problem anyway, whether it's a declared dispute or not.  Much better, I'd think, for you to go to the council, (hopefully) get it sorted and then be able to tell potential buyers that there was a dog barking issue but it's now sorted.
    There are so many people obsessed with dogs these days. If you get one of them coming to view, they’ll probably love it. 
    If you will the end, you must will the means.
  • Woolsery
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    GDB2222 said:
    Phil4432 said:
    Barking dogs are unfortunately a growing infestation of the UK.  As dog ownership and the number of ignorant dog owners go up, we don't have the laws to ensure peace and quiet in our society.  The result is the Third World in the First World.

    The barking dog owner is usually of the anti social type, which is why they choose to disturb other people with animals.
    So remain as anonymous as you can with your complaints.

    Their barking rats are far more important, then your right to peace and quiet.  I once spoke to the parent of a newborn baby.  They'd politely asked the neighbour to restrict their dog barking at night, as the baby couldn't sleep.  The barking dog owner didn't care.  Little poodle pumpkins barking, was a source of great joy for them.  Far more important than a sleeping baby.

    The council may do something, but its going to be a very long process.

    Those same laws that didn't give me peace and quiet, didn't give them peace and quiet either.  So, you could take a more direct route if you are so inclined.  Maybe give doggie some heavy metal to bark along to.    There's quite a few options if you wish to take this approach.  

    It's better to remain as anonymous as you can though; keep letters polite, direct and anonymous.  The barking dog owner is usually very paranoid, as all bully's are.  Not knowing if the letter came from the sweet old lady opposite, or the heavyweight boxer down the street will get to them.

    I don't advocate cruelty, but there have been stories of people losing sleep over a period of years and driven mad to the point of killing the barking dog.  I don't advocate this, but I can understand it.  Nastiest sound in the world.   
    The problem is that it's very, very difficult to stop a dog barking. 
    It is difficult but certainly not impossible.  But next door don’t even appear to try.  And with as many dogs as they have, they’ve created a pack of dogs rather than just a companion.
    This is the real problem. Dogs are pack animals and look to humans for authority and leadership. The dull owner doesn't understand this and couldn't sustain the example required even if they did. The result is stressed dogs, unsure of their security and position, either arguing in a group or asserting themselves by barking.
    Some breeds are also much more likely to bark than others and it takes only minutes to find out which these are on the internet. It's unlikely many potential owners do this though, any more than they think through the different exercise requirements or needs for mental stimulation. Something like a retriever, originally bred as a circus dog, could go stir crazy left in a house on its own all day.

  • Woolsery
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    edited 22 May 2022 at 7:23PM
    GDB2222 said:
    Phil4432 said:
    Barking dogs are unfortunately a growing infestation of the UK.  As dog ownership and the number of ignorant dog owners go up, we don't have the laws to ensure peace and quiet in our society.  The result is the Third World in the First World.

    The barking dog owner is usually of the anti social type, which is why they choose to disturb other people with animals.
    So remain as anonymous as you can with your complaints.

    Their barking rats are far more important, then your right to peace and quiet.  I once spoke to the parent of a newborn baby.  They'd politely asked the neighbour to restrict their dog barking at night, as the baby couldn't sleep.  The barking dog owner didn't care.  Little poodle pumpkins barking, was a source of great joy for them.  Far more important than a sleeping baby.

    The council may do something, but its going to be a very long process.

    Those same laws that didn't give me peace and quiet, didn't give them peace and quiet either.  So, you could take a more direct route if you are so inclined.  Maybe give doggie some heavy metal to bark along to.    There's quite a few options if you wish to take this approach.  

    It's better to remain as anonymous as you can though; keep letters polite, direct and anonymous.  The barking dog owner is usually very paranoid, as all bully's are.  Not knowing if the letter came from the sweet old lady opposite, or the heavyweight boxer down the street will get to them.

    I don't advocate cruelty, but there have been stories of people losing sleep over a period of years and driven mad to the point of killing the barking dog.  I don't advocate this, but I can understand it.  Nastiest sound in the world.   
    The problem is that it's very, very difficult to stop a dog barking. 
    It usually isn't if consistency is maintained and a context established. Allow a dog to bark when someone comes into the garden or knocks at the door and you give them a frame of reference and a natural outlet for the anxiety, excitement etc. Reward them then, but tell them "No!" at other times and maybe make them do something calming, distracting and less fun, like sitting still for a minute, to remind them it's not needed or acceptable.
    Yes, it will take a while, especially if the dog is older or a bit dim. There are dim dogs. Maybe they weren't born that way, but they probably weren't spoken to much as pups and don't easily get the connection between a person speaking and the need to respond. I've a relative with a dog like that; it's ability to focus and connect with a human is very limited. If allowed off a lead it tends to wander away and not come back. There is no real bond and little interaction. Fortunately, it's totally silent!

  • GDB2222
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    GDB2222 said:
    Phil4432 said:
    Barking dogs are unfortunately a growing infestation of the UK.  As dog ownership and the number of ignorant dog owners go up, we don't have the laws to ensure peace and quiet in our society.  The result is the Third World in the First World.

    The barking dog owner is usually of the anti social type, which is why they choose to disturb other people with animals.
    So remain as anonymous as you can with your complaints.

    Their barking rats are far more important, then your right to peace and quiet.  I once spoke to the parent of a newborn baby.  They'd politely asked the neighbour to restrict their dog barking at night, as the baby couldn't sleep.  The barking dog owner didn't care.  Little poodle pumpkins barking, was a source of great joy for them.  Far more important than a sleeping baby.

    The council may do something, but its going to be a very long process.

    Those same laws that didn't give me peace and quiet, didn't give them peace and quiet either.  So, you could take a more direct route if you are so inclined.  Maybe give doggie some heavy metal to bark along to.    There's quite a few options if you wish to take this approach.  

    It's better to remain as anonymous as you can though; keep letters polite, direct and anonymous.  The barking dog owner is usually very paranoid, as all bully's are.  Not knowing if the letter came from the sweet old lady opposite, or the heavyweight boxer down the street will get to them.

    I don't advocate cruelty, but there have been stories of people losing sleep over a period of years and driven mad to the point of killing the barking dog.  I don't advocate this, but I can understand it.  Nastiest sound in the world.   
    The problem is that it's very, very difficult to stop a dog barking. 
    It is difficult but certainly not impossible.  But next door don’t even appear to try.  And with as many dogs as they have, they’ve created a pack of dogs rather than just a companion.
    I really am surprised how many dogs they have. It must be very difficult to live with. I think that your only hope is the council.  It’s best to keep a log now, because the council will otherwise tell you to do that.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • Noneforit999
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    They have 12 dogs? 12!?!?

    Jeez, trying to train that many dogs not to bark is never going to happen.

    If it were a couple then sure, some effort from them or a Dog trainer might work but that many is impossible. 

    If you want to do something about it, your most effective option is to move really. The council could be a first step but ultimately it might make it harder to sell if you need to be honest on the dispute part of the forms.

    Where we live the housing association flats opposite have 1-2 dogs in several of the flats. The owners often go out and the dogs just bark and bark and bark, great fun when you have the window open in the summer and are trying to do Zoom calls for work. Although that is not the primary reason for us moving, its certainly part of it. 


  • koalakoala
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    I have also moved due to barking dogs
  • Woolsery
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    edited 23 May 2022 at 9:07AM

    If you want to do something about it, your most effective option is to move really.
    Exactly, because this government and all the other governments before them don't really care about your rights compared with the fuss there would be if they tried to give councils and the RSPCA real teeth to deal with animal cruelty, nuisance and neglect.  It would create massive problems, especially if owners abandoned their dogs rather than face any hassle. Can you imagine the thousands of stray dogs and the public outcry about that, not to mention the disturbing stories the red tops would print about pensioners cruelly deprived of their only company?
    Then, of course, the dogs would have to be euthanised.........Let's not go there!
     
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