UC by 2024

andrewmp

atlantis187 said:

If someone has savings over 16k at the point of migration from tax credits will they get transitional protection and how long will this last for if no other changes get made to the UC claim for several years after?

The savings over £16k are disregarded for a year.  

calcotti

atlantis187 said:

If someone has savings over 16k at the point of migration from tax credits will they get transitional protection and how long will this last for if no other changes get made to the UC claim for several years after?

As Andrew says, Capital over £16,000 will be ignored for 12 months. Transitional protection will apply to the calculation of the UC amount at the point of transfer. If there is still more than £16,000 after 12 months UC entitlement will end. 

kaMelo

calcotti said:

No one has suggested that the process is as indicated inn your opening paragraph.

 @andrewmp was suggesting exactly that,.. 

calcotti said:

I have made no indication of how many students might be involved. Bearing in mind that new Tax Credit claims have not been possible (except in limited circumstances) for over three years I agree with you that the numbers are likely to be small.

Again, my reply was towards @andrewmp rather than yourself 

As to events that would end transitional protection,  I was looking specifically at those for whom, without specific disregards giving transitional protection, on migration day would not qualify for UC at all.
The savings disregard is quite detailed about how it would last for a maximum twelve months and what could cause it to end sooner. 
The paragraph about students has no detail on when it will end but it's quite specific on when it applies. The condition that would otherwise cause benefits to terminate for someone in full time education is not to apply while they are continuing to undertake that course.
The important part being "while they continue to undertake that course" I would interpret that as once they are no longer taking that course the condition would apply.
I of course could be completely wrong

Spoonie_Turtle

kaMelo said:

calcotti said:

No one has suggested that the process is as indicated inn your opening paragraph.

 @andrewmp was suggesting exactly that,.. 

calcotti said:

I have made no indication of how many students might be involved. Bearing in mind that new Tax Credit claims have not been possible (except in limited circumstances) for over three years I agree with you that the numbers are likely to be small.

Again, my reply was towards @andrewmp rather than yourself 

As to events that would end transitional protection,  I was looking specifically at those for whom, without specific disregards giving transitional protection, on migration day would not qualify for UC at all.
The savings disregard is quite detailed about how it would last for a maximum twelve months and what could cause it to end sooner. 
The paragraph about students has no detail on when it will end but it's quite specific on when it applies. The condition that would otherwise cause benefits to terminate for someone in full time education is not to apply while they are continuing to undertake that course.
The important part being "while they continue to undertake that course" I would interpret that as once they are no longer taking that course the condition would apply.
I of course could be completely wrong

The condition that would normally disqualify them (assuming they are not responsible for one or more children nor have LCW) would be that they are receiving education.  Once they are no longer undertaking the course - no longer receiving education - then they no longer need the protection of that exclusion being waived, it's irrelevant to them.

Protection in other areas that might also apply to the same claimant, e.g. benefits amounts and savings disregards, should surely still stand on their own merit and continue as appropriate.

calcotti

kaMelo said: ..As to events that would end transitional protection,  I was looking specifically at those for whom, without specific disregards giving transitional protection, on migration day would not qualify for UC at all.

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The paragraph about students has no detail on when it will end but it's quite specific on when it applies. The condition that would otherwise cause benefits to terminate for someone in full time education is not to apply while they are continuing to undertake that course.
The important part being "while they continue to undertake that course" I would interpret that as once they are no longer taking that course the condition would apply.
I of course could be completely wrong

The student rule means that instead of being disqualified from claiming UC the student is a qualifying person for the purpose of claiming UC.

Regulation 60 only deals with the student status and limits the qualifying purpose to completion of that course (which would exclude people who go straight on to study a further course immediately after the first). 

The rules around the application of the transitional element are separate. I think you are incorrect to interpret regulations 60 as covering the transitional protection.

andrewmp

It's going to stop some graduates from going into teaching too, which is a shame when there is a teacher shortage.

OhWow

andrewmp said:

It's going to stop some graduates from going into teaching too, which is a shame when there is a teacher shortage.

School Direct (salaried) is an employment-based route for high quality graduates, typically with at least three years’ experience of transferable work history.

https://www.ucas.com/postgraduate/teacher-training/train-teach-england/postgraduate-teacher-training-england#pgce-university-led-teacher-training

andrewmp

OhWow said:

andrewmp said:

It's going to stop some graduates from going into teaching too, which is a shame when there is a teacher shortage.

School Direct (salaried) is an employment-based route for high quality graduates, typically with at least three years’ experience of transferable work history.

https://www.ucas.com/postgraduate/teacher-training/train-teach-england/postgraduate-teacher-training-england#pgce-university-led-teacher-training

Hardly anyone does a salaried route.

Pdman

Any news on how the migration is going?

calcotti

Pdman said:

Any news on how the migration is going?

Some migration notices to start the process have been issued in the two trial areas of Medway and Bolton.
LA Welfare Direct 6/2022 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)