No tv license

Brie

Frankly I find the wording very clear.  

You must have a TV licence if you:

• watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they are broadcast
• download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

TV Licence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

DE_612183

Brie said:

Frankly I find the wording very clear.  

You must have a TV licence if you:

• watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they are broadcast
• download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

TV Licence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

So what about streaming services which not not actually live - but a few minutes behind live Itv Hub, Amazon Prime etc...

Cornucopia

DE_612183 said:

Live programmes on ITV hub are about 20-30 seconds behind live TV I can watch using Sky, so do they get caught by being live?

Yes.

It's a question of whether it is a streamed version of the TV Channel or not.  

Cornucopia

Brie said:

Frankly I find the wording very clear.  

You must have a TV licence if you:

• watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they are broadcast
• download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

TV Licence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Errr... that's not from TV Licensing.   

I agree that it's better than what TV Licensing has, though.

Olinda99

A few minutes behind is not "as they are being broadcast" so strictly speaking you don't need a licence

However it"s a mess - what about a 10 second delay? Maybe 5 mins delay is 'safer' Who knows ?

Cornucopia

Olinda99 said:

A few minutes behind is not "as they are being broadcast" so strictly speaking you don't need a licence

However it"s a mess - what about a 10 second delay? Maybe 5 mins delay is 'safer' Who knows ?

At the moment, it's pretty clear which are on-demand services and which are parallel streams to TV Channel broadcasts.   Also, AFAIK there are no services that are a few minutes adrift - it's mostly a few seconds.

julie777

Brie said:

Frankly I find the wording very clear.  

You must have a TV licence if you:

• watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they are broadcast
• download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

TV Licence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

The email I just had from TV Licencing is worded differently - it say you also need a licence if you:
"Watch or stream live content through online
services like Amazon Prime Video, ITV Hub, All 4 and YouTube"
But my son says that is misleading. True?

iniltous

Some content providers ( like Amazon ) have content that doesn’t need a licence, and some content that does  ( like when they show ‘live’ football or tennis ) so it’s impossible to simply say Amazon does or doesn’t require a licence, I’ve never seen anything ‘live’  advertised on them , but if All4 or ITV Hub do show live content,  then they require a licence to watch it ‘live’, if you watch the live content on YouTube , you technically need a licence, but if you don’t watch that live  content you don’t need a licence , so there isn’t a ‘gotcha’ moment , when the authorities can say ‘but you have Amazon on your TV’ , the chances are your TV has a TV receiver built in anyway , so being able to receive live TV isn’t the qualifying criteria.

TBH , it’s really down to personal integrity, if you know you watch stuff that should need you to have a licence , buy a licence, if you don’t , don’t buy a licence, those that split hairs about watching a live broadcast with a 30 second delay, probably do need a licence, but simply want reassurance  that they are not stealing 

Cornucopia

Only live TV channels (Eurosport?) carried by Amazon Prime Video definitively need a TV Licence to view.   

The sport that is Amazon's own coverage is a bit more of a grey area - and IMV what determines whether it needs a Licence is whether it is being carried in parallel to a TV channel.   Even then, arguably if it's the same footage but with different graphics and commentary then it isn't a live broadcast in itself.

Youtube is similar - watching the many, many live streams that do not originate from broadcasters is perfectly fine without a Licence.   If a stream is parallel to a TV channel (e.g. Sky News) then that requires a Licence.

The issue is the over-use of the word "live".   That isn't the defining factor.   The true issue is whether the stream is concurrent with a TV channel that you could receive via Terrestrial, Satellite or Cable TV.

Cornucopia

julie777 said:

Brie said:

Frankly I find the wording very clear.  

You must have a TV licence if you:

• watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they are broadcast
• download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer - live, catch up or on demand.

TV Licence - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

The email I just had from TV Licencing is worded differently - it say you also need a licence if you:
"Watch or stream live content through online
services like Amazon Prime Video, ITV Hub, All 4 and YouTube"
But my son says that is misleading. True?

Yes - that's definitely wrong.  

Normally they say "...watch or 'stream' programmes live..." which is better.   I'd prefer "TV programmes" or "TV channels".