This £350 refugee thing

AlexMac

I assume that Michael Gove's Civil Servants will be considering all of these issues;

-  the legalistic ones  (impact on CT, Income tax, Tenancy/lodger status, protection of the "tenant or lodger", need for Insurer or Mortgage lenders' permission, disputes resolution ...)

-  The safeguarding ones (speeding up Police or status checks of hosts, family or visitors, child protection, avoidance of and subsequent exploitation...)

- Refugees'  and Hosts' needs and impact on local services (Health, including Mental Health, Child & Adolescent Mental Health (CAMs), Trauma Counselling if required, Social Care, Education, networks of mutual support, need for respite or temporary care or housing if hosts experience trauma, separation or health crises...) 

...and will come up with intelligible, comprehensive, cost-effective and clearly communicated commonsense guidance, and  systems which build on existing local infrastructure...

... just as they did with, for example, with the need to respond to the Covid pandemic

... oh?  Hang on a 'mo? 

... Dido's Test, Track n Trace? (£47 Billion to Consultants), PPE supply (£megabucks to mates on the Special Track),  £5 Billion Education Catch-Up tutoring (£Millions to Randstad  who achieved 10-15% of target outcomes )... 

Or let's be optimistic and hope it's more like the Oxford Astra Zenica vaccine; produced in record time and sold at cost!

julicorn

sheramber said:

Previous refugee crisis have not been on the scale of the Ukrainian crisis. Many of these refugees will want to return to their country if possible.

There were almost 7 million Syrian refugees. Just because the UK took in barely any, doesn't mean it wasn't on a huge scale. 

macman

ProDave said:

sourpuss2021 said:

ProDave said:

Ah I see, so the £350 is not "rent" 

I cannot see any other circumstances where being given a monthly payment for accommodation is not "rent"  One rule for the government, another rule for the rest.

So when you are trying to evict a tenant, tell the court they were not paying "rent" but giving you an allowance.  do let us know how you get on.

Someone better informed will be along shortly.  But the government agency that is giving you the £350, is not the person who becomes your lodger/excluded occupier.  There is no 'consideration' paid by the Ukrainian person themselves.  So no tenancy is created.

Until the Ukranian finds some casual employment and offers the home owner £50 per month to help out, and the unknowing owner now has a tenant who is probably not a short assured tenant.........

I am not saying don't do it, I am saying be careful.

If the refugee is occupying a room in the same house as the LL. then no tenancy is created even if they are paying rent. They would merely be a lodger, with no right to remain except as permitted by the LL The rights of a lodger are minimal.

Snow_Angel

For anyone who may be interested, the Sanctuary Foundation have a free online information event tonight and will be addressing a lot of the questions people may have: 

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ukraine-humanitarian-sponsorship-information-evening-tickets-296455585637

sourpuss2021

macman said:

ProDave said:

sourpuss2021 said:

ProDave said:

Ah I see, so the £350 is not "rent" 

I cannot see any other circumstances where being given a monthly payment for accommodation is not "rent"  One rule for the government, another rule for the rest.

So when you are trying to evict a tenant, tell the court they were not paying "rent" but giving you an allowance.  do let us know how you get on.

Someone better informed will be along shortly.  But the government agency that is giving you the £350, is not the person who becomes your lodger/excluded occupier.  There is no 'consideration' paid by the Ukrainian person themselves.  So no tenancy is created.

Until the Ukranian finds some casual employment and offers the home owner £50 per month to help out, and the unknowing owner now has a tenant who is probably not a short assured tenant.........

I am not saying don't do it, I am saying be careful.

If the refugee is occupying a room in the same house as the LL. then no tenancy is created even if they are paying rent. They would merely be a lodger, with no right to remain except as permitted by the LL The rights of a lodger are minimal.

I don't believe they'd even be a lodger because there's no lodger agreement and no rent.   They would be excluded occupiers, invited guests, like if relatives or friends were staying with you.