Garden tap and wobbly pipe

Dedekind

Hello

I have a copper pipe sticking out of the wall where I fit a garden tap. I felt a bit lazy and didn't want to use a backplate so this is what I did: 

Cut the pipe 
Put a straight tap connector (push fitted on the pipe).
Put the tap on the connector. 
Seal around pipe with silicone 

It all works fine and there are no leaks etc. But the pipe is wobbly as the hole in the wall is ever so slightly larger, so turning the tap makes the whole thing go around rather than the tap, unless I hold the connection with the other hand. 

I am thinking whether using some sort of exterior grab adhesive would work to make sure the pipe is fixed in position. Will it hold the force of opening the tap? (And moving around a garden hose etc). 

If not, what other options do I have? I have a backplate that I can use along with a push fit elbow but I would need to remove the push fit straight connector, which I don't know how to do. 

Bendy_House

A photo would help.

But if the force of the hose and tap-turning is all landing on a 15mm copper pipe, I think you can expect some problems.

You are reluctant to drill holes for fixing the backplate?

Do you have access to the pipe on the inside of the wall?

Dedekind

Bendy_House said:

A photo would help.

But if the force of the hose and tap-turning is all landing on a 15mm copper pipe, I think you can expect some problems.

You are reluctant to drill holes for fixing the backplate?

Do you have access to the pipe on the inside of the wall?

No acces from inside. I am not reluctant just lazy.. 

FreeBear

Dedekind said:

Bendy_House said:

A photo would help.

But if the force of the hose and tap-turning is all landing on a 15mm copper pipe, I think you can expect some problems.

You are reluctant to drill holes for fixing the backplate?

Do you have access to the pipe on the inside of the wall?

No acces from inside. I am not reluctant just lazy.. 

Is there a stop tap inside to isolate this bit of pipe ?

It will start to leak, and with push fit fittings, it could well fail in spectacular fashion. The weather is amenable for doing small jobs outside at the moment, so you really ought to get out there and do a proper job. It will save time in the long run if when the connection fails.

Dedekind

FreeBear said:

Dedekind said:

Bendy_House said:

A photo would help.

But if the force of the hose and tap-turning is all landing on a 15mm copper pipe, I think you can expect some problems.

You are reluctant to drill holes for fixing the backplate?

Do you have access to the pipe on the inside of the wall?

No acces from inside. I am not reluctant just lazy.. 

Is there a stop tap inside to isolate this bit of pipe ?

It will start to leak, and with push fit fittings, it could well fail in spectacular fashion. The weather is amenable for doing small jobs outside at the moment, so you really ought to get out there and do a proper job. It will save time in the long run if when the connection fails.

No, just mains stop. I thought push fit fittings were as good as any other as long as they are properly done? 

Carrot007

Dedekind said:

FreeBear said:

Dedekind said:

Bendy_House said:

A photo would help.

But if the force of the hose and tap-turning is all landing on a 15mm copper pipe, I think you can expect some problems.

You are reluctant to drill holes for fixing the backplate?

Do you have access to the pipe on the inside of the wall?

No acces from inside. I am not reluctant just lazy.. 

Is there a stop tap inside to isolate this bit of pipe ?

It will start to leak, and with push fit fittings, it could well fail in spectacular fashion. The weather is amenable for doing small jobs outside at the moment, so you really ought to get out there and do a proper job. It will save time in the long run if when the connection fails.

No, just mains stop. I thought push fit fittings were as good as any other as long as they are properly done? 

They are when properly done means not banging about and wobbly as you say.

Just replace the lot with proper copper pipe and a stop just inside as shoudl have been done anyway. Copper is easier than push fit anyway (compression at least and discounting the odd pipe bending people used to do but no one bothers with anymore).

Section62

Carrot007 said:

Copper is easier than push fit anyway (compression at least...

Really? You find it easier to do all the steps involved in cutting and preparing a copper pipe and compression fitting, compared to cutting a plastic pipe, putting an insert in, and pushing the pipe into the fitting?

There's good reasons for using copper/compression... but ease of making joints wouldn't feature on my list.

Carrot007 said:

....and discounting the odd pipe bending people used to do but no one bothers with anymore).

"No one", really?  That will come as a surprise to the people who still bend copper pipe, and the manufacturers and sellers of equipment used to do so....

https://www.toolstation.com/hand-tools/pipe-bender/c1163

Dedekind

Having quite a hard time removing this..

Carrot007

Section62 said:

Carrot007 said:

Copper is easier than push fit anyway (compression at least...

Really? You find it easier to do all the steps involved in cutting and preparing a copper pipe and compression fitting, compared to cutting a plastic pipe, putting an insert in, and pushing the pipe into the fitting?

There's good reasons for using copper/compression... but ease of making joints wouldn't feature on my list.

Carrot007 said:

....and discounting the odd pipe bending people used to do but no one bothers with anymore).

"No one", really?  That will come as a surprise to the people who still bend copper pipe, and the manufacturers and sellers of equipment used to do so....

https://www.toolstation.com/hand-tools/pipe-bender/c1163

1. Yes I do.

2. You know what I mean. Do people bend and bend copper these days rather than putting a few joints in instead. Only pipes I ever see with that have been there voer 30 years these days. Yes I am sure some poepl can but it is muchly a lost skill.

Bendy_House

Dedekind said:

Having quite a hard time removing this..

Is the copper pipe going through the wall well supported inside the building? (I'm wondering how you managed to PUSH that fitting on?)

Anyhoo, see the back of that plastic fitting, where it meets the wall? That's the release collar, so if you push that into the fitting, the fitting should slip off. 
Another way might be to keep the fitting under mains water pressure, whilst you accidentally push that fitting inwards, and the collar is pressed in unexpectedly...

Dedekind

Bendy_House said:

Dedekind said:

Having quite a hard time removing this..

Is the copper pipe going through the wall well supported inside the building? (I'm wondering how you managed to PUSH that fitting on?)

Anyhoo, see the back of that plastic fitting, where it meets the wall? That's the release collar, so if you push that into the fitting, the fitting should slip off. 
Another way might be to keep the fitting under mains water pressure, whilst you accidentally push that fitting inwards, and the collar is pressed in unexpectedly...

Well the thing is that the collar does not get to touch the wall.. so just pushing doesn't do anything. I tried wedging something in between to push and release with no success. 

I wonder if I can just glue/caulk around? To be fair the pipe is not big deal. The fitting is weird though as the brass part keeps turning on the connector..