Court date tomorrow: any final tips, tricks and advice?

dantheman02

Hi all.

So, the day has finally come! Court day is tomorrow (Feb 21st), almost exactly one year on from my 'contravention notice'.
Obviously, my defence, ws and evidence is all done (with so many thanks to you all on this forum, couldn't have done it without you), I'm just wondering if any of you have any last minute advice?

My plan was smart-ish dress, arrive 30 mins early etc.
I'm confident in my case, I feel I'm clued up on my key points and I have a feeling that the claimant won't be arriving anyway.

Anything is hugely appreciated - thanks in advance!

Ktm1050

Your lucky to have your day in court mines gone from a day in court to a phone hearing next month  from nearly 6 years ago ..good luck 

dantheman02

Ktm1050 said:

Your lucky to have your day in court mines gone from a day in court to a phone hearing next month  from nearly 6 years ago ..good luck 

WOW! That is some wait. 
I don't know if it's location dependent, but mine was postponed from Jan until now.

Fruitcake

If this is to do your other thread, please post only there and let this thread die.

patient_dream

Do yourself a crib sheet tonight on all your points so you don't forget anything.

Don't be put off by the legal, they probaby know less than you do.

Regarding the fake add--ons ...... you must point out to the judge that government has now banned such charges

If the legal spouts they are allowed to add such amounts because the code of practice, point out that the CoP comes from an unregulated ATA and to which they have no legal authoriy to add anything and is against the Parking Eye v beavis in the Supreme court
(DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CASE ?)

Make sure you have your costs schedule ready (around £95)   that goes in your crib sheet

The Judge will start with the claimant ... listen carefully and make notes. Then it's over to your crib sheet

Good luck

Umkomaas

I'm just wondering if any of you have any last minute advice?

Have a look at this if you've not previously seen it - originally posted by forum regular @KeithP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n93eoaxhzpU

95Rollers

Pretty much what @patient_dream has said and also what you are planning too as 1st impressions count!

On the Crib sheet I have my main lines of defence headed in bold with the key points and evidence underneath. I have a 70 page WS with Pictures, Emails, contracts, findings, previous judgments/ case law so having it bullet pointed for quick reference will help me on the day.

Good luck @Dannyshiers and let us know how you get on.

AnotherForumite

patient_dream said:

Do yourself a crib sheet tonight on all your points so you don't forget anything.

Don't be put off by the legal, they probaby know less than you do.

Regarding the fake add--ons ...... you must point out to the judge that government has now banned such charges

If the legal spouts they are allowed to add such amounts because the code of practice, point out that the CoP comes from an unregulated ATA and to which they have no legal authoriy to add anything and is against the Parking Eye v beavis in the Supreme court
(DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CASE ?)

Make sure you have your costs schedule ready (around £95)   that goes in your crib sheet

The Judge will start with the claimant ... listen carefully and make notes. Then it's over to your crib sheet

Good luck

Nothing has been ‘banned’. The changes (which are still in draft form) relate to those that will be seeking data from the DVLA only… those that already have the data, or operate with out requesting DVLA data may carry on exercising their rights under UK law.

95Rollers

Yes. But they were never legally standing. It was just an unregulated ATA saying their members could help themselves. Plus I'd argue that if it's gone to court then the Debt Collectors have failed to do their job (frighten/ bully/ coerce/ gaslight people out of ££s).  So if its gone to court it is no longer valid- so why is it on there!?!  Especially when the legal firm have added on court fees (technically that would be a truer "recovery" attempt fee
!?!).  The Legal company thrn add on their own fees and ZZPS, DRP etc have been kicked out the loop and they failed to deliver on their no win no fee service so why are they even claiming this when they are applying to claw back court fees!?!  Pretty corrupt no!?!.  The ATAs aren't regulated nor hold any actual clout which is why many Judges deem this be an abuse of process. Its basically an unofficial Bounty that gets added on at varying amounts when the PPCs farm out their disputed/ unpaid invoices to multiple no-win no-fee firms. Its not actual LAW nor an entitled or protected RIGHT.  It never has been!

Jenni_D

AnotherForumite said:

patient_dream said:

Do yourself a crib sheet tonight on all your points so you don't forget anything.

Don't be put off by the legal, they probaby know less than you do.

Regarding the fake add--ons ...... you must point out to the judge that government has now banned such charges

If the legal spouts they are allowed to add such amounts because the code of practice, point out that the CoP comes from an unregulated ATA and to which they have no legal authoriy to add anything and is against the Parking Eye v beavis in the Supreme court
(DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CASE ?)

Make sure you have your costs schedule ready (around £95)   that goes in your crib sheet

The Judge will start with the claimant ... listen carefully and make notes. Then it's over to your crib sheet

Good luck

Nothing has been ‘banned’. The changes (which are still in draft form) relate to those that will be seeking data from the DVLA only… those that already have the data, or operate with out requesting DVLA data may carry on exercising their rights under UK law.

Interesting take on both Beavis and the new Parking Bill - and (IMHO) wrong on both counts.  

Beavis adjudged that the PCN value already includes the cost of enforcement (debt collection), therefore adding such a cost (which hasn't actually been borne) is amoral (and immoral).

And I don't believe the new Parking Bill (and Code of Practice) applies only for NoPCs derived from DVLA data.

AnotherForumite

The above has been debated to death, so I won’t get into it again. 

The point I was making is that the draft code will not change anything in law (a contract is a contract), except where the operator is seeking DVLA data.