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  • Fruitcake
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    Where you use acronyms or abbreviations, you should use the full version the first time, for example, Subject Access Request (SAR), then just the shortened version, SAR, thereafter.

    I suggest you add the words in bold below to your para 4. You need to check spelling and grammar (the law is a pedant).

    The claimant has demonstrated a lack of robust control measures in place and as a result personal data has been obtained and processed without reasonable cause.

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  • fisherjim
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     How will I able to prove there were two visits to the car park as without CCTV evidence it will just be my word against theirs?


    UKPC are proven liars they have twice been suspended by the DVLA for such, I am sure you are an upstanding citizen.
    ANPR is banned for use in council car parks due to it not being fit for purpose, the BPA themselves have even admitted it is not 100O% reliable, see "Mr Bumble" Pester CEO at BPA at 10:28:


  • D_P_Dance
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    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Half_way
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    edited 19 February 2022 at 12:10PM
    What happened when you complained to McDonalds ?

    I didn’t take any action to the previous letters I received or get in touch with mcds 

    Going for the landowner, in the case of a double dip ( two visits recorded as one)  should be an absolute .
     While you are getting on with the court case you should also be going after the Mc Donalds as well -

    Is this a franchise?
    Where is it?

    Mc Donald's usually use Met parking, so UKPC smells more like a franchise place
    The Franchise will be jointly and severally liable for the actions of its agents .


    I m of the opinion that any parking company which uses ANPR , and their systems cause double dips should have their access to the DVLA data terminated , and any PPC that uses ANPR for timing and that ANPR system fails to detect a disabled occupant of the vehicle should have its DVLA access suspended until it can show it has a system that does not discriminate
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
  • go-on-then
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    edited 19 February 2022 at 12:12PM
    You should  'Put the claimant to strict proof that the vehicle did not leave and return at a later date ' in your defence as Fruitcake advised. 
  • Half_way said:
    What happened when you complained to McDonalds ?

    I didn’t take any action to the previous letters I received or get in touch with mcds 

    Going for the landowner, in the case of a double dip ( two visits recorded as one)  should be an absolute .
     While you are getting on with the court case you should also be going after the Mc Donalds as well -

    Is this a franchise?
    Where is it?

    Mc Donald's usually use Met parking, so UKPC smells more like a franchise place
    The Franchise will be jointly and severally liable for the actions of its agents .


    I m of the opinion that any parking company which uses ANPR , and their systems cause double dips should have their access to the DVLA data terminated , and any PPC that uses ANPR for timing and that ANPR system fails to detect a disabled occupant of the vehicle should have its DVLA access suspended until it can show it has a system that does not discriminate
    I got the below response back from the McDonalds customer service email which was really poor. It seems obvious they already have a pre-written template for this and didn't read anything I emailed about the specifics of my case. The sentences in bold are just ridiculous as well!

    Thank you for contacting McDonald’s Customer Services.

    I’m sorry to hear that you have received a Parking Charge Notice following your visit to our - restaurant.
     
    We've introduced parking restrictions at some of our restaurants to make sure there are always parking spaces available for customers.
     
    We appreciate that some visits such as birthday parties or large group visits might take longer and the parking restrictions aren't intended to stop this. If you think your stay will exceed the stated maximum parking time then please speak to a manager in advance.
     
    Your number plate is scanned by our Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system when you enter our car park, and then again when you leave. If you have overstayed the maximum time allowed, you will not be notified straight away- a Parking Charge Notice will be sent to you via the post.
     
    If you feel that a Parking Charge Notice has been issued in error, please contact our approved contractors who issued the charge in order to appeal the charge. Unfortunately McDonald's are unable to revoke parking tickets- the outcome of the appeal is final and cannot be overturned by McDonald’s.
     
    Many thanks for taking the time to contact McDonald’s Customer Services.


  • Also, seen that the gov.uk website has a Private Parking Code of Practice dated 7th February 2022. Can I use this to defend my claim even if the issue happened in 2018?

    Thanks 
  • D_P_Dance
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    You can try but a judge is not likely to accept it.  
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • Jenni_D
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    It is recommended in a court claim to raise mention of this, especially on the subject of getting the false debt collection charge removed.
    Jenni x
  • Half_way
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    Half_way said:
    What happened when you complained to McDonalds ?

    I didn’t take any action to the previous letters I received or get in touch with mcds 

    Going for the landowner, in the case of a double dip ( two visits recorded as one)  should be an absolute .
     While you are getting on with the court case you should also be going after the Mc Donalds as well -

    Is this a franchise?
    Where is it?

    Mc Donald's usually use Met parking, so UKPC smells more like a franchise place
    The Franchise will be jointly and severally liable for the actions of its agents .


    I m of the opinion that any parking company which uses ANPR , and their systems cause double dips should have their access to the DVLA data terminated , and any PPC that uses ANPR for timing and that ANPR system fails to detect a disabled occupant of the vehicle should have its DVLA access suspended until it can show it has a system that does not discriminate
    I got the below response back from the McDonalds customer service email which was really poor. It seems obvious they already have a pre-written template for this and didn't read anything I emailed about the specifics of my case. The sentences in bold are just ridiculous as well!

    Thank you for contacting McDonald’s Customer Services.

    I’m sorry to hear that you have received a Parking Charge Notice following your visit to our - restaurant.
     
    We've introduced parking restrictions at some of our restaurants to make sure there are always parking spaces available for customers.
     
    We appreciate that some visits such as birthday parties or large group visits might take longer and the parking restrictions aren't intended to stop this. If you think your stay will exceed the stated maximum parking time then please speak to a manager in advance.
     
    Your number plate is scanned by our Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system when you enter our car park, and then again when you leave. If you have overstayed the maximum time allowed, you will not be notified straight away- a Parking Charge Notice will be sent to you via the post.
     
    If you feel that a Parking Charge Notice has been issued in error, please contact our approved contractors who issued the charge in order to appeal the charge. Unfortunately McDonald's are unable to revoke parking tickets- the outcome of the appeal is final and cannot be overturned by McDonald’s.
     
    Many thanks for taking the time to contact McDonald’s Customer Services.



    Was/is this a franchise?
     where is it?

    That warrants a reply, as their agents - the parking company have accessed and processed your personal data without just cause.
     but first - and again please answer

    Where is this Mc Donalds
    and is it a franchise or one operated n by Mc Donalds?
    if yo don't know if its a franchise, then just stating its location will help
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
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