Car Seized as PNC shows licence expired Age 70 - Renewal still in progress

Bullies_Beware2

My licence expired under the provisions of the final moratorium eleven months after its due date - 22nd July 2021

My renewal application was sent 2/7/21 once I had paper forms from DVLA as I could not do an online application due to being locked out once my pink card had expired. This application triggers the S88 entitlement which expires 22nd July 2022

My diabetes is regularly checked and the most recent eyesight and blood sugar levels have been passed OK

I fully understand the need for checks but at no time have I taken short cuts or avoided supplying information but still no licence appears.

The RAC have gone through S88 entitlement with me line by line. The opinion is that the police have acted well beyond their powers and must rectify the position accordingly. Contact with the pound this morning strongly suggests they have started down this road.

Admiral_Barbarossa

Thanks for coming back and clarifying your medical status.

Having checked on the DVLA site, the extension applied to Photocard Licenses for 11 months to the licenses that expire between 1st February and 31st December 2020.
Expired driving licences automatically extended by 11 months - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

If your license was a paper version, this exemption did not apply.

Rover_Driver

From that link -
'.Photocard licences or entitlement to drive that expires between 1 February and 31 December 2020 have been extended for 11 months from the date of expiry'.

Admiral_Barbarossa

The moratorium was for photo card licences and entitlement to drive, as long as the DVLA had received the correct paper work. It was not for paper licenses. If you had correctly sent the paper work prior to the expiry of your licence, then S88 would be valid for one year after the expiry of your licence, which I interpret as August 2020, thus S88 would allow you to continue to drive until August 2021. This is probably how the PCN knew you were on an expired license.

If you did correctly send all the information to DVLA in June 2020, and were not medically advised not to drive, and have a paper trail, as suggested, an Internet forum is not the place to seek redress. You will need to seek professional advice on this matter, I would do this as a matter of urgency, as the police have your car!

GrumpyDil

Admiral_Barbarossa said:

The moratorium was for photo card licences and entitlement to drive, as long as the DVLA had received the correct paper work. It was not for paper licenses. If you had correctly sent the paper work prior to the expiry of your licence, then S88 would be valid for one year after the expiry of your licence, which I interpret as August 2020, thus S88 would allow you to continue to drive until August 2021. This is probably how the PCN knew you were on an expired license.

If you did correctly send all the information to DVLA in June 2020, and were not medically advised not to drive, and have a paper trail, as suggested, an Internet forum is not the place to seek redress. You will need to seek professional advice on this matter, I would do this as a matter of urgency, as the police have your car!

Can you show me where it says paper licences are excluded? My reading of that page is it covers the case where a photo card licence has expired OR entitlement to drive. The use of the word or suggests that would cover a paper licence which had expired as the paper licence is where the OP would get their entitlement to drive from. 

Admiral_Barbarossa

GrumpyDil said:

Admiral_Barbarossa said:

The moratorium was for photo card licences and entitlement to drive, as long as the DVLA had received the correct paper work. It was not for paper licenses. If you had correctly sent the paper work prior to the expiry of your licence, then S88 would be valid for one year after the expiry of your licence, which I interpret as August 2020, thus S88 would allow you to continue to drive until August 2021. This is probably how the PCN knew you were on an expired license.

If you did correctly send all the information to DVLA in June 2020, and were not medically advised not to drive, and have a paper trail, as suggested, an Internet forum is not the place to seek redress. You will need to seek professional advice on this matter, I would do this as a matter of urgency, as the police have your car!

Can you show me where it says paper licences are excluded? My reading of that page is it covers the case where a photo card licence has expired OR entitlement to drive. The use of the word or suggests that would cover a paper licence which had expired as the paper licence is where the OP would get their entitlement to drive from. 

As I read it, entitlement to drive is not a paper licence, but refer to that the applicant has correctly sent the paper work to renew their licence to DVLA and the delay is due to them renewing the licence! There is a leaflet linked in this thread that explains this.

The moratorium was aligned to the EU on photo card licenses to extend their validity during the pandemic.

Rover_Driver

The 'entitlement to drive' is that the person holds a valid driving licence. Both paper and photocard licences are normally valid until the holder is 70.
Photocard licences do expire and need to be periodically replaced, that date is shown as them. It does not affect the holder's 'entitlement to drive'.

Admiral_Barbarossa

The paper licence is valid from passing the test until aged 70. The photo card licence is valid£ for ten years or until 70. The entitlement to drive allows the licence holder to continue to drive if their licence has expired and they have correctly submitted a renewal to DVLA. 

OP reached the age of 70, hence his licence, paper or other had expired. If OP had correctly sent the paper work to DVLA, in June 2020 prior to his licence expiring, he would be entitled to drive until August 2021. 

We are at a loss as to whether OP sent all the correct paper work to the DVLA in June 2020. If OP had not done this then his licence expired in August 2020.

Rover_Driver

Paper and photocard licences are both valid until the holder is 70, the 'Valid From and To' date is on the paper licence, and the back of the photocard licence. The requirement is a replacement photograph every 10 years, which is an administrative matter.

DB1904

Admiral_Barbarossa said:

The paper licence is valid from passing the test until aged 70. The photo card licence is valid£ for ten years or until 70. The entitlement to drive allows the licence holder to continue to drive if their licence has expired and they have correctly submitted a renewal to DVLA. 

OP reached the age of 70, hence his licence, paper or other had expired. If OP had correctly sent the paper work to DVLA, in June 2020 prior to his licence expiring, he would be entitled to drive until August 2021. 

We are at a loss as to whether OP sent all the correct paper work to the DVLA in June 2020. If OP had not done this then his licence expired in August 2020.

The OP tried to renew in July 2021 having exercised the covid extension. You'd know that if you read the thread.