Parking ticket with no photographic evidence.

Danny30

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

Redx

Danny30 said:

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

No , most companies use ANPR cameras at the entrance/exit , monitoring time on site , not Parking time

Danny30

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

No , most companies use ANPR cameras at the entrance/exit , monitoring time on site , not Parking time

This is a side road behind shops with no camera and just a pay and display ticket required. 

Redx

Danny30 said:

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

No , most companies use ANPR cameras at the entrance/exit , monitoring time on site , not Parking time

This is a side road behind shops with no camera and just a pay and display ticket required. 

Still doesn't change the initial appeal , but may need tweaking of any second stage appeal
why didn't you give us more details in your opening post above ?

Danny30

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

No , most companies use ANPR cameras at the entrance/exit , monitoring time on site , not Parking time

This is a side road behind shops with no camera and just a pay and display ticket required. 

Still doesn't change the initial appeal , but may need tweaking of any second stage appeal
why didn't you give us more details in your opening post above ?

Sorry, forgot to include it in my opening post. What I thought it that without photographic evidence how can they prove that I was parked there without a ticket, or even parked there at all?

I assume that they don't have photos as  I can't see anywhere that mentions it on the ticket, nor is there a camera at the entrance or in the car park.

KeithP

Danny30 said:

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

Redx said:

Danny30 said:

I have received a parking ticket from a company called Spring Parking. I am preparing the first, and if needed second appeal but just realised that they didn't mention or provides any images of the car being parked. Does that change anything with regards to the appeal?

No , most companies use ANPR cameras at the entrance/exit , monitoring time on site , not Parking time

This is a side road behind shops with no camera and just a pay and display ticket required. 

Still doesn't change the initial appeal , but may need tweaking of any second stage appeal
why didn't you give us more details in your opening post above ?

I assume that they don't have photos as  I can't see anywhere that mentions it on the ticket, nor is there a camera at the entrance or in the car park.

I would assume that they do have photographs, and perhaps you could carefully ask for them when you send your appeal. Take care not to identify the driver.

Danny30

Thanks. Going to use the "template one size fits all appeal that doesn't say who was driving" from the newbies FAQ page as a first appeal. I will add the request for photographic evidence with it. If no luck on that, then for the second appeal the following from the same FAQ page: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v_W_UseWdI_d_9WWMUfVecx0uDUYOwKs/view

Danny30

I am a bit confused with the letter from the Newbies sticky board below. It looks different to the ones sent out quite a while ago when I last got a ticket. It seems very brief and doesn't ask for a POPLA code?

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

 There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

 If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

 If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Le_Kirk

The regulars on this forum will always recommend that you use the blue text appeal with no alterations, deletions or additions basically because it has been written and refined to ensure that motorists do not write anything that could be used against them!  The one you linked must be old as the first point was "no loss" and is an old appeal point that went out with Beavis.

Danny30

Le_Kirk said:

The regulars on this forum will always recommend that you use the blue text appeal with no alterations, deletions or additions basically because it has been written and refined to ensure that motorists do not write anything that could be used against them!  The one you linked must be old as the first point was "no loss" and is an old appeal point that went out with Beavis.

Thank you. About to send the one pasted above. Can I add the following onto it on the end, or as you said leave it with no alterations?

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. You must either offer me a POPLA code or cancel the charge.

Umkomaas

Danny30 said:

Le_Kirk said:

The regulars on this forum will always recommend that you use the blue text appeal with no alterations, deletions or additions basically because it has been written and refined to ensure that motorists do not write anything that could be used against them!  The one you linked must be old as the first point was "no loss" and is an old appeal point that went out with Beavis.

Thank you. About to send the one pasted above. Can I add the following onto it on the end, or as you said leave it with no alterations?

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. You must either offer me a POPLA code or cancel the charge.

The first sentence is already included in the template appeal - you've already pasted that into your earlier post. The second sentence is unnecessary, a BPA AOS operator is required to provide a POPLA code on rejection of an initial appeal, no need to remind them. 

But, from previous dealings with Spring, don't they have a second stage appeal as well, which is determined by the council?  You might need to wait for that decision before you receive a POPLA code. For that second stage appeal to the council, just use the same one as for Spring (but omit the bit about a complaint to the client landowner, that is the council).