Do you do this at round about ????

[Deleted User]

So long as morons try and straddle lanes to stop people like me using open lanes to get passed queuing traffic who all want to sit in one lane when the other isn't closed for another mile, I will continue to use a right lane to loop around the roundabout and take the left exit if it makes the traffic flow faster

zagfles

Username03725 said:

To answer the question, no I wouldn't. It's queue jumping by any other name. If you have no problems doing that that's between you and your conscience. If all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane it would soon turn to chaos, ergo you're relying on everyone else doing the right thing so that you can take advantage of that. 

To reference an earlier post, this question is completely separate to not correctly merging in turn approaching a road lane closure or width restriction.

It depends on the reason for the queue. If for instance it's because the roundabout is busy eg lots of traffic coming from your right, then using the right lane and going 450 degrees could actually reduce queuing time for those in the left lane as two lanes are being used to get onto the roundabout.

But if the reason for the queue is that the road going to the left is clogged, then using the right lane and doing a 450 will increase queuing time for those who stay left as effectively the circlers are "jumping the queue" to get onto the clogged road.

Manxman_in_exile

zagfles said:

Username03725 said:

To answer the question, no I wouldn't. It's queue jumping by any other name. If you have no problems doing that that's between you and your conscience. If all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane it would soon turn to chaos, ergo you're relying on everyone else doing the right thing so that you can take advantage of that. 

To reference an earlier post, this question is completely separate to not correctly merging in turn approaching a road lane closure or width restriction.

It depends on the reason for the queue. If for instance it's because the roundabout is busy eg lots of traffic coming from your right, then using the right lane and going 450 degrees could actually reduce queuing time for those in the left lane as two lanes are being used to get onto the roundabout.

But if the reason for the queue is that the road going to the left is clogged, then using the right lane and doing a 450 will increase queuing time for those who stay left as effectively the circlers are "jumping the queue" to get onto the clogged road.

Yeah - but if you turned 450 you'd be going in the opposite direction to that which you wanted...

(Does nobody know their 90 times table?  We did it in our first week at primary school in the Isle of Man)

Username03725

Car_54 said:

There is nothing in the Highway Code against queue-jumping. Or indeed in the Ten Commandments, if you want to be moralistic.

On a practical level, if "all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane" it would simply result in two queues instead of one. Where would the chaos ensue?

That's a leap, invoking the Ten Commandments. I see it simply as fairness; people are queuing and I'm joining the back of the queue. As I said, if you see it differently that's between you & your conscience.

If two lanes of heavy traffic are approaching a roundabout and a good percentage are doing a lap & quarter of it, other people joining it will then be delayed by the additional traffic going round unnecessarily. And given that most people who exit a roundabout  after a straight on fail to cancel their right turn signal to signal left (as per HC) and instead rely on the usual thing of expecting that waiting traffic can tell where they might be going based on where they came from, there's your additional confusion. 1¼ laps of a roundabout negates the insight of having an idea where they came from hence where they're going. 

If someone chooses to do this when I'm queueing I'll probably do no more than tut, or if I'm alone call them something unpleasant. That'd be it though, I wouldn't be out of the queue chasing them down to remonstrate. The question was asked, I've given my answer. HTH.

RogerBareford

Car_54 said:

Username03725 said:

To answer the question, no I wouldn't. It's queue jumping by any other name. If you have no problems doing that that's between you and your conscience. If all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane it would soon turn to chaos, ergo you're relying on everyone else doing the right thing so that you can take advantage of that. 

To reference an earlier post, this question is completely separate to not correctly merging in turn approaching a road lane closure or width restriction.

There is nothing in the Highway Code against queue-jumping. Or indeed in the Ten Commandments, if you want to be moralistic.

On a practical level, if "all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane" it would simply result in two queues instead of one. Where would the chaos ensue?

Deleted_User said:

So long as morons try and straddle lanes to stop people like me using open lanes to get passed queuing traffic who all want to sit in one lane when the other isn't closed for another mile, I will continue to use a right lane to loop around the roundabout and take the left exit if it makes the traffic flow faster

Doing what the OP suggests unnecessarily slows down traffic and only benefits the person doing it.

If you go right round the roundabout your are delaying traffic that is coming into and out of the roundabout at different exits.

So if there is something stopping a left turn to form a queue and everyone started going right around then you would cause delays for other people not going that way as they can't enter the roundabout while your going around.

zagfles

Manxman_in_exile said:

zagfles said:

Username03725 said:

To answer the question, no I wouldn't. It's queue jumping by any other name. If you have no problems doing that that's between you and your conscience. If all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane it would soon turn to chaos, ergo you're relying on everyone else doing the right thing so that you can take advantage of that. 

To reference an earlier post, this question is completely separate to not correctly merging in turn approaching a road lane closure or width restriction.

It depends on the reason for the queue. If for instance it's because the roundabout is busy eg lots of traffic coming from your right, then using the right lane and going 450 degrees could actually reduce queuing time for those in the left lane as two lanes are being used to get onto the roundabout.

But if the reason for the queue is that the road going to the left is clogged, then using the right lane and doing a 450 will increase queuing time for those who stay left as effectively the circlers are "jumping the queue" to get onto the clogged road.

Yeah - but if you turned 450 you'd be going in the opposite direction to that which you wanted...

(Does nobody know their 90 times table?  We did it in our first week at primary school in the Isle of Man)

Yeah yeah, discussed above. By reference to your entry point of the roundabout, or from an observer in the middle of the roundabout. You enter at 0 degrees. Turn left you've gone 90 degrees round the roundabout. Going straight you've gone 180 degrees round the roundabout. etc. So 450 would be doing the full 360 degrees of the circle back to your starting point, and an extra 90 would be turning left.

Sea_Shell

If you're counting from leaving the give way line, to coming BACK to the same give way line, albeit in another lane and from a different direction, surely you've done 360. A full extra lap of the roundabout.

Regardless of which exit you wanted (left or straight on).

And yes, I have done this at a notorious local roundabout, where the only options were straight on or right, with a very long (and empty) right hand lane and a very long queue for straight on.

Car_54

Username03725 said:

Car_54 said:

There is nothing in the Highway Code against queue-jumping. Or indeed in the Ten Commandments, if you want to be moralistic.

On a practical level, if "all of the left-turners started randomly choosing to be in the left or right lane" it would simply result in two queues instead of one. Where would the chaos ensue?

That's a leap, invoking the Ten Commandments. I see it simply as fairness; people are queuing and I'm joining the back of the queue. As I said, if you see it differently that's between you & your conscience.

If two lanes of heavy traffic are approaching a roundabout and a good percentage are doing a lap & quarter of it, other people joining it will then be delayed by the additional traffic going round unnecessarily. And given that most people who exit a roundabout  after a straight on fail to cancel their right turn signal to signal left (as per HC) and instead rely on the usual thing of expecting that waiting traffic can tell where they might be going based on where they came from, there's your additional confusion. 1¼ laps of a roundabout negates the insight of having an idea where they came from hence where they're going. 

If someone chooses to do this when I'm queueing I'll probably do no more than tut, or if I'm alone call them something unpleasant. That'd be it though, I wouldn't be out of the queue chasing them down to remonstrate. The question was asked, I've given my answer. HTH.

1.  Why would someone going straight ahead be signalling right? That's not what the HC says.
2.  Are you saying I should not make a perfectly legal manoeuvre correctly, simply because other people do it incorrectly?

EssexExile

I do it it, why not? Everyone else is free to do it if they like, I'm not taking advantage.

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TheMilkmansDad said:

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Manxman_in_exile said:

photome said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

If you are going left don't you need to do (about) 270 degrees?  If you do 360 you'd be going straight on... 

I've done both 270 and 360. (360 when you can only go straight on in the left-hand lane and it's blocked).

Is it not allowed?

if you do 270  you would be turning right, to do what the Op suggests it would be more like 450

In answer to the OP, yes I would do it and have done it

Eh?  Has trigonometry changed since I was at school?

You have to make 1 and a quarter full circles of the roundabout to turn left, which is 360 + 90 = 450 degrees.

but the car is not doing a full circle is it? And you are turning right at the roundabout not left - so (assuming a roundabout with 4 exits at equal point), straight on (2nd exit)would be zero (no turns). Exit 3 the car will have turned 90 degrees, back on yourself to turn 4 would be 180 degrees - 1st junction would be + 90. So 180 + 90 = 270 degrees for the cars perspective.

Form he roundabouts perspective it would be different as you would indeed have gone full 360 + 90 = 450.

I'm not arguing, the difference in heading from say due North to due West turning clockwise is 270 degrees. I was suggesting where the 450 came from.