PCM/IAS + mitigation: should I just give in & pay up?

Coupon-mad

Sounds fine. It's mainly about the email and evidence and if that's not enough to stop their client then, as you say, bring ot on!

grassmarket

Outcome: no further contact from the lawyers since I told them 9 months ago to ‘bring it on’ in court. My MP also wrote to the PPC on my behalf. So (excepting the 6 year limit on litigation) I seem to have won. 

Thanks to all those above who gave their time to offer polite advice. 

I found this forum a much more positive & constructive source of help than Pepipoo.
To all those affected by PPCs: don’t give up or give in!

Umkomaas

grassmarket said:

Outcome: no further contact from the lawyers since I told them 9 months ago to ‘bring it on’ in court. My MP also wrote to the PPC on my behalf. So (excepting the 6 year limit on litigation) I seem to have won. 

Thanks to all those above who gave their time to offer polite advice. 

I found this forum a much more positive & constructive source of help than Pepipoo.
To all those affected by PPCs: don’t give up or give in!

If you access the parking firm's website, going as if to pay the PCN (obviously don't!), you should be able see the current status of the charge. If it's showing 'cancelled', or similar, great, but if it's showing as still unpaid, don't fall asleep on it, the parking firm has 6 years to issue court proceedings, and many of them are doing so very late in the day. 

Coupon-mad

Nice update!

As you seem to have beaten this one and have a tenacious approach, we hope we can count on you to pop back here even if this all stays quiet, and join us in August to respond to the DLUHC Public Consultation?

Please read the 2022 replies and bookmark the sticky thread by MSE_JC - and enable email alerts for bookmarked threads.

You'll then know what it is about and will be told when we reply there saying the Consultation is open - any week now...

Need to get the statutory CoP over the line and drown out all the PPC "waaaah, gimme more money" submissions, including those where the DLUHC said the industry are known to 'pose as motorists'.

AmikoFrizz982

PCM is well known to normally dismiss even inquiries from MPs, not answering the questions and eluding any topic not convenient for them. They normally send a polite rejection letter with an indication to follow up with IPC. MPs usually proceed with it in good faith, only to receive another bounce letter full of the usual nonsense sometimes directly from the address of notorious Will Hurley. Then, these guys, if is convenient for them, silently put the case aside in a different way at a later stage, without admitting anything.

PCM>IPC>IAS>Gladstones, this is just a nasty chain. The Independent Appeals Service (IAS) is administered by The International Parking Community, IPC. IPC is operated by Will Hurley, in the past Director of Gladstones Solicitors. Gladstones Solicitors, directed by John Davies, operates in debt recovery, often working with private car park operators to collect unpaid parking fines, offering specialised litigation service. John Davies was previously Director of IPC and currently sits in the The IPC Steering Committee.

We should involve MPs the most we can, considering the Government's intention to end unfair practices by PPCs.

grassmarket

Umkomaas said:

grassmarket said:

Outcome: no further contact from the lawyers since I told them 9 months ago to ‘bring it on’ in court. My MP also wrote to the PPC on my behalf. So (excepting the 6 year limit on litigation) I seem to have won. 

Thanks to all those above who gave their time to offer polite advice. 

I found this forum a much more positive & constructive source of help than Pepipoo.
To all those affected by PPCs: don’t give up or give in!

If you access the parking firm's website, going as if to pay the PCN (obviously don't!), you should be able see the current status of the charge. If it's showing 'cancelled', or similar, great, but if it's showing as still unpaid, don't fall asleep on it, the parking firm has 6 years to issue court proceedings, and many of them are doing so very late in the day. 

I did that: PCM website says it can’t find a match. So do they just delete them rather than admit they’ve been cancelled? 

Correction: I checked a different way - it IS still there! So guess I’ll have to stay vigilant for 6 years, then - unless new Code comes in…

grassmarket

Coupon-mad said:

Nice update!

As you seem to have beaten this one and have a tenacious approach, we hope we can count on you to pop back here even if this all stays quiet, and join us in August to respond to the DLUHC Public Consultation?

Please read the 2022 replies and bookmark the sticky thread by MSE_JC - and enable email alerts for bookmarked threads.

You'll then know what it is about and will be told when we reply there saying the Consultation is open - any week now...

Need to get the statutory CoP over the line and drown out all the PPC "waaaah, gimme more money" submissions, including those where the DLUHC said the industry are known to 'pose as motorists'.

Happy to do so, but I don’t know how to find the 2022 replies or sticky thread. I’ve done a couple of searches with no success. If you can post me a link I’m happy to participate - thanks. I was going to stick my oar in directly anyway, via gov.uk. The length of delay in implementing this new PPC code is a scandal in itself. 

Coupon-mad

The length of delay in implementing this new PPC code is a scandal in itself. 

Kind of agree but I'm on the Code of Practice's Steering Group so I know why it's taken so long.  No point complaining to the Government; they had this all done in Feb 2022!  The delay was caused by the money-grabbers.

You just look at the sticky threads on page one of the forum and find the one by MSE_JC.  And read the 2022 replies on it.

You know how to hop to page one by now I hope?   You know what a 'sticky' Announcement is? If not then my signature tells all newbies.

Read the coloured writing below - look - vvv

AmikoFrizz982

grassmarket said:

Umkomaas said:

grassmarket said:

Outcome: no further contact from the lawyers since I told them 9 months ago to ‘bring it on’ in court. My MP also wrote to the PPC on my behalf. So (excepting the 6 year limit on litigation) I seem to have won. 

Thanks to all those above who gave their time to offer polite advice. 

I found this forum a much more positive & constructive source of help than Pepipoo.
To all those affected by PPCs: don’t give up or give in!

If you access the parking firm's website, going as if to pay the PCN (obviously don't!), you should be able see the current status of the charge. If it's showing 'cancelled', or similar, great, but if it's showing as still unpaid, don't fall asleep on it, the parking firm has 6 years to issue court proceedings, and many of them are doing so very late in the day. 

I did that: PCM website says it can’t find a match. So do they just delete them rather than admit they’ve been cancelled? 

No, they don't delete it from the system. There should be a message like this on screen. I'm not sure about the "no further contact" thing with these people.



What was the result of the inquiry of your MP with them, did he/she wrote to IPC also? Did you robustly complain to the landlord and the property management? Sometimes writing to the agents only is not enough. There's landlord authority in order, on contract? I'd also send a SAR to DVLA to check if PCM collected keeper data at the right time and not too soon. All in all, my opinion is that you have a case. But without settling this for good, you leave yourself exposed to a possible Court Claim.

Coupon-mad

But without settling this for good, you leave yourself exposed to a possible Court Claim.

Just picking up onthe word 'settling' to confirm you don't advise 'pay'?!   No-one pays PCM.