Non refundable pre-paid Christmas meal

Aylesbury_Duck

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

dil1976

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

So out of curiosity, if I get a positive PCR test for coronavirus and have no symptoms which is what happened to me when would I go from being unwelll to being well?

soolin

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

Another example then, my mother carried MRSA (apparently about 2% of the general population do), she didn’t know she was a carrier until tests at the hospital identified it when they were testing for other things. So by definition despite her being well and healthy she was unwell, I did love my mother but she was a hypochondriac and she would be delighted to know she truly was unwell even though those darned health professionals kept telling her she was well and healthy 😀

Aylesbury_Duck

dil1976 said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

So out of curiosity, if I get a positive PCR test for coronavirus and have no symptoms which is what happened to me when would I go from being unwelll to being well?

Simple.  Once you are free from illness, as per the definition.

Aylesbury_Duck

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

Another example then, my mother carried MRSA (apparently about 2% of the general population do), she didn’t know she was a carrier until tests at the hospital identified it when they were testing for other things. So by definition despite her being well and healthy she was unwell, I did love my mother but she was a hypochondriac and she would be delighted to know she truly was unwell even though those darned health professionals kept telling her she was well and healthy 😀

🙂 Indeed.  I suspect most of us are technically unwell with one thing or another. The point in this thread's scenario revolves around coronavirus though, where feeling ok or having no symptoms at all might mean one feels well, but one isn't safely well enough to be hanging about with people who may be more vulnerable, or who might spread it to someone more vulnerable.  That's why the isolation rules are there, and don't discriminate between positive cases who feel ill and those who don't.  If you have covid, you're unwell.

smashinglynaive

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

soolin said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

TELLIT01 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

MarvinDay said:

smashinglynaive said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

smashinglynaive said:

Peter999_2 said:

Sorry you're not well and will miss the meal though.  I can imagine that you have been very much looking forward to it.

Who said they're not well?

OP did.  They have covid.  They may feel fine, but by definition they're not well.

If they feel fine they're well.

Many people have Herpes Simplex and/or Varicella Zoster floating around inside them for life.  Are they "not well" too?

There is a big difference between "feeling well" and "being well".

Mary Mallon (Typhoid Mary) didn't show any symptoms and felt fine yet she went on to infect dozens of people, some of whom died. Would you say that she was well?

Yes, I would. Why wouldn't I?

Because you'd be wrong if you did.

To be well is to be free, or recovered from, illness.  By definition, OP is therefore unwell.  

I presume @smashinglynaive is either (a) not-so-nimbly backtracking after realising they had not read the opening post properly, or (b) is one of those people who believes that testing positive for Covid does not mean that a person is "not well".

Testing positive is not the same as being unwell.  They are carrying the virus but it is having no effect on their health.  They cannot therefore be classed as unwell. 

They can, and they are.  They may not feel unwell, but if they have a verified coronavirus infection, they are unwell by definition and classed as such.

I do rather struggle with the concept that if I have anything wrong I am automatically unwell. I have a chronic auto immune disease but am completely well and healthy, if someone asked me if I was unwell I would say no. 

Putting aside the dictionary definition, I think there is an important distinction here, though.  Your condition is not contagious to others in general daily life.

I do agree that there's a perceived difference between the technical and colloquial uses of "unwell" when considering your own health, but I think that where someone has coronavirus, influenza, a cold or any other virus or illness that can be passed onto others, they aren't well, no matter how slight or non-existent their symptoms might be.

Another example then, my mother carried MRSA (apparently about 2% of the general population do), she didn’t know she was a carrier until tests at the hospital identified it when they were testing for other things. So by definition despite her being well and healthy she was unwell, I did love my mother but she was a hypochondriac and she would be delighted to know she truly was unwell even though those darned health professionals kept telling her she was well and healthy 😀

🙂 Indeed.  I suspect most of us are technically unwell with one thing or another. The point in this thread's scenario revolves around coronavirus though, where feeling ok or having no symptoms at all might mean one feels well, but one isn't safely well enough to be hanging about with people who may be more vulnerable, or who might spread it to someone more vulnerable.  That's why the isolation rules are there, and don't discriminate between positive cases who feel ill and those who don't.  If you have covid, you're unwell.

Being well or not has nothing to do with other people, it has everything to do with how you feel.

There is a slight exception for cancer and HIV and others of the like that, if left untreated, will be fatal but otherwise that's it.

Bear in mind that a positive COVID test doesn't even mean you have it, it could be a false positive or a detection of a recent previous infection.

I'm sorry but I'll stand by my original question.  Where did they say they're not well?  A positive COVID test certainly isn't evidence of that.

Brie

@Eldsmum12
did you get the dinner sorted in the end?  Hope you had a lovely day no matter what.

smashinglynaive

Brie said:

@Eldsmum12
did you get the dinner sorted in the end?  Hope you had a lovely day no matter what.

They probably did as they didn't have to deal with the family.

Sicard

I'm not a doctor but I know a lot of things (Donald Trump).
I have Barretts disease, my knees have arthritis and so do parts of my hands. I get a lot of wind due to the Barretts. I get excessive ear wax and am forever blowing my nose.
But I am not unwell and cannot spread any of these conditions to my knowledge.

born_again

Shame the OP has never been back with a update...
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