How is this possible?

Umkomaas

Sounds like the guy who is getting all the cancellations knows his way around the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4). If the company also knew their way around it, not only would they save the £25 overnight fee, they would save on the £10 charge too!

CP Plus/Group Nexus don't use PoFA to pursue their PCNs. 

Brie

So it's the company you work for that is committing the fraud?  Not the individual drivers?

Bunnyboiler00

Brie said:

So it's the company you work for that is committing the fraud?  Not the individual drivers?

From my reading of it the drivers are simply told not to bother paying at certain motorway sites.

Coupon-mad

Easy to work this out.  This is a boss using ex UKPC's Tony Taylor (he's the only guy who charges a tenner) and all he is doing is sending an appeal pointing out that CP Plus don't use the POFA.

Your boss could do that himself.  In a way, it's good business sense although I don't condone not paying a fee to park.

I have a problem with the MSA missing out on the £25 rate and that's the only issue and why you might want to discuss it with your boss.

I have no problem with companies knowing how to appeal a private PCN issued by a PPC who can't be bothered to use the POFA.  We even have a Staffs poster here who runs a fleet who does appeals for the company.  No problem with knowing how to appeal if a PPC can't be bothered to use keeper liability law.

Bunnyboiler00

Coupon-mad said:

Easy to work this out.  This is a boss using ex UKPC's Tony Taylor (he's the only guy who charges a tenner) and all he is doing is sending an appeal pointing out that CP Plus don't use the POFA.

Your boss could do that himself.  In a way, it's good business sense although I don't condone not paying a fee to park.

I have a problem with the MSA missing out on the £25 rate and that's the only issue and why you might want to discuss it with your boss.

I have no problem with companies knowing how to appeal a private PCN issued by a PPC who can't be bothered to use the POFA.  We even have a Staffs poster here who runs a fleet who does appeals for the company.  No problem with knowing how to appeal if a PPC can't be bothered to use keeper liability law.

Yes its Tony Taylor on the emails

Coupon-mad

Yep, so your boss is being sensible in some ways by handling PCNs correctly, but he really doesn't need to pay ex-UKPC Tony, who appears to be a one trick pony with simple appeals (and this is dead simple - money for old rope).   Tony is doing this in one minute flat and you could, too.

Your company could easily do online appeals yourself citing the POFA (for firms like CP Plus who don't use that law) and it would cost you a minute of someone's time.  You certainly shouldn't PAY private PCNs at the moment, not until the industry has been regulated next year and even then, the advice will be appeal.  And the appeals process will hopefully be far more independent, with a Single Appeals Service that we hope will be operated by someone who understands the law properly and isn't biased towards the parking industry.

However, the issue to discuss is, who has made the decision to deprive the MSA of its night parking rate and why?  That's what is not right., No-one here has a problem with knowing how to easily appeal a non-POFA PCN and we could tell you how to word that, for nothing.

The only risk your company is taking is that one day they might start rejecting the appeals and pursuing the company citing CPS v AJH Films because you are liable for the actions of your drivers and the POFA is not the only law they could use.

Bearing in mind that PPCs read these forums, I'd delete the detail in the first post if I were you because you don't want the firm working out which firm you are.  In fact it's probably dead easy to work out.  Not many people use Tony Taylor, no need.

Umkomaas

The parking notice is then received and they pay some bloke from Birmingham £10 for each one and then each ticket gets cancelled

This is a boss using ex UKPC's Tony Taylor

Yes its Tony Taylor on the emails

Unless he's moved house, TT doesn't live in Brum.

Castle

Coupon-mad said:

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However, the issue to discuss is, who has made the decision to deprive the MSA of its night parking rate and why?  That's what is not right., No-one here has a problem with knowing how to easily appeal a non-POFA PCN and we could tell you how to word that, for nothing.

The only risk your company is taking is that one day they might start rejecting the appeals and pursuing the company citing CPS v AJH Films because you are liable for the actions of your drivers ands the POFA is not the only law they could use.

Bearing in mind that PPCs read these forums, I'd delete the detail in the first post if I were you because you don't want the firm working out which firm you are.  In fact it's probably dead easy to work out.  Not many people use Tony Taylor, no need.

I'm glad somebody spotted this-and given this would be a business to business contract-there's no consumer protection.

fisherjim

Umkomaas said:

The parking notice is then received and they pay some bloke from Birmingham £10 for each one and then each ticket gets cancelled

This is a boss using ex UKPC's Tony Taylor

Yes its Tony Taylor on the emails

Unless he's moved house, TT doesn't live in Brum.

Probably using a PO Box like the PPC's do

Bunnyboiler00

Umkomaas said:

The parking notice is then received and they pay some bloke from Birmingham £10 for each one and then each ticket gets cancelled

This is a boss using ex UKPC's Tony Taylor

Yes its Tony Taylor on the emails

Unless he's moved house, TT doesn't live in Brum.

Ive double check and its a residential address in Birmingham (Selly Park area)