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nimbo

Personally I think giving more notice may be beneficial. 

A year ago they couldn’t afford to buy. But they may be able to now. (Last year I couldn’t  buy and I’m hoping to complete the 7th December). Things change. 

They may not want to move before Christmas. To be honest I wouldn’t want to. And the minimum notice they can give you I imagine is a month. They will need to give notice the day before rent is due. They probably wouldn’t want o too much overlap. 

Treat them how you would want to be treated. Giving this much notice means they won’t feel forced to take the first rental that comes up. 

lookstraightahead

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michael1234 said:

If it was me, I'd ask to see them and then would adopt a very nice, low-key attitude almost as if they are more important that you (because you definitely don't want to present yourself as the opposite). Then I'd explain I want to sell the house in March and even though the legal minimum is 2 months I would say I'm offering much more notice than that blah blah blah....

Putting up the rent or generally playing hardball is going to annoy/upset them. So much more chance of if it going badly wrong.

i would only increase the rent if they refused to leave next year even though i have given them plenty of notice as then they are being unreasonable and so playing nice is not going to work.

but the consensus is to give as much notice as possible to avoid them staying on, so i will do this, and if they still refuse to move out in march then i will have to recourse to the law.  however, as i had mentioned earlier, it is not in the tenants' interest to upset the landlord either and be unreasonable as they won't be able to get a landlord reference and this is critical to get a new place.

being marched out or receiving a court eviction notice is also not for most people unless you are that way inclined and don't much care to receive court orders.  not to mention court fees and some other costs will be recoverable from the tenants once evicted so most people will not want to be doing this.

Unless of course they will be looking to the council to rehouse them, in which case the council will be telling them not to make themselves 'intentionally homeless' but to stay put until they are evicted.....

fortunately they are young single professionals so they got no chance of council reshousing, especially in london, and they wouldn't be the sort that would want to live in a council property anyway.

The sort of people?

My daughter lives in a house share in London. I make sure she knows her rights. 

Op, good luck with your strategies. As you say, they're young and professional, so likely to know exactly what their rights are. Be nice. 

newdriver101

AskAsk said:

Mojisola said:

AskAsk said:

my husband says the problem with telling them that we are selling now may mean they find another place and move out in december and that is the worst month to be putting the house on the market so we would have an empty house for a month.

Having an empty house for a month would be a lot cheaper than paying all the legal costs to force an eviction if your tenants decided to stay as long as possible in the house.

fortunately we have legal protection with our buildings insurance so the legal costs would be covered.  we don't want the stress and hassle of having to do this.  i don't think they are the sort of tenants that would wait to be evicted but you can never tell.

it is not difficult to find new accomodation in london as i had said earlier, it is a fast moving market and people can actually move with just a day's notice as there are a lot of properties which are available immediately.

Just to add - legal protection with home insurance does not automatically guarantee your legal costs will be covered.  Your insurer will need to be happy your case has a reasonable chance of success + also that it is worth the lawyer’s time/energy pursuing…

turnitround

'The sort of people'. 

 Had you said 'the sort of people who could qualify for council housing' I would find that comment acceptable. But you said 'They wouldn't be the sort that would want to live in a council property'.

What sort of people would they be then?

You do come across as someone with little regard for what happens to your tenants as long as you are not put out at all.

theartfullodger

Sounding more and more like a wind up...

lookstraightahead

AskAsk said:

lookstraightahead said:

AskAsk said:

p00hsticks said:

AskAsk said:

michael1234 said:

If it was me, I'd ask to see them and then would adopt a very nice, low-key attitude almost as if they are more important that you (because you definitely don't want to present yourself as the opposite). Then I'd explain I want to sell the house in March and even though the legal minimum is 2 months I would say I'm offering much more notice than that blah blah blah....

Putting up the rent or generally playing hardball is going to annoy/upset them. So much more chance of if it going badly wrong.

i would only increase the rent if they refused to leave next year even though i have given them plenty of notice as then they are being unreasonable and so playing nice is not going to work.

but the consensus is to give as much notice as possible to avoid them staying on, so i will do this, and if they still refuse to move out in march then i will have to recourse to the law.  however, as i had mentioned earlier, it is not in the tenants' interest to upset the landlord either and be unreasonable as they won't be able to get a landlord reference and this is critical to get a new place.

being marched out or receiving a court eviction notice is also not for most people unless you are that way inclined and don't much care to receive court orders.  not to mention court fees and some other costs will be recoverable from the tenants once evicted so most people will not want to be doing this.

Unless of course they will be looking to the council to rehouse them, in which case the council will be telling them not to make themselves 'intentionally homeless' but to stay put until they are evicted.....

fortunately they are young single professionals so they got no chance of council reshousing, especially in london, and they wouldn't be the sort that would want to live in a council property anyway.

The sort of people?

My daughter lives in a house share in London. I make sure she knows her rights. 

Op, good luck with your strategies. As you say, they're young and professional, so likely to know exactly what their rights are. Be nice. 

not everyone wants to live in a council property.  in london council properties tend to be in rough areas so people who can afford to pay rent privately will not want to live in these areas even if they are cheap.

I know London really well. People will live in properties to their financial means. It doesn't make you a certain 'sort' of person. Just like anywhere in the country.

You can't choose to live in a council property anyway. 

lookstraightahead

theartfullodger said:

Sounding more and more like a wind up...

I truly think the op genuinely believes the ball is in their court.

YoungBlueEyes

I am truly thankful I am not a renter....

rexmedorum

diggingdude said:

Don't increase the rent before a section 21. A court might think you are carrying out a retaliatory eviction 

Doing it afterwards would be a serious case of mixed messaging surely.