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turnitround

AskAsk said:

turnitround said:

Can you serve a valid section 21?

you mean serve the notice now for march?  i don't think you can this early.

No, I mean have you complied with everything you need to to be able to make the Section 21 watertight when you do serve it. Otherwise it could be even more important to have the tenants on your side.

diggingdude

Don't increase the rent before a section 21. A court might think you are carrying out a retaliatory eviction 

Continental

If you really want them out in March, why not offer to pay their removal van costs? Tell them that this is a one-time offer and will not be extended to a later month.

getmore4less

Rather than putting up the rent you should be offering them money to leave on your schedule.

lookstraightahead

I don't understand the increase rent business. That just serves as a punishment for them not dancing to your tune.

theartfullodger

lookstraightahead said:

I don't understand the increase rent business. That just serves as a punishment for them not dancing to your tune.

Quite:  The number of arrogant landlords is a national shame.

lookstraightahead

AskAsk said:

lookstraightahead said:

AskAsk said:

lookstraightahead said:

Are these tenants relatively switched on, because you're talking about them as if they're not.

Remember, it's their home. If you increase the rent, they could just refuse and wait for you to go through the eviction process. Or maybe leave just before it affects them getting somewhere else. If you act nasty, they can too.

By your OH trying to manipulate the situation to squeeze another month's rent, it's almost lol. They do not have to leave in March. Maybe March 2023.

You're not particularly doing them any favours by giving them "plenty of notice" as it's their prerogative to stay. But being nice will help (as I said earlier).

You need to ditch the March option I think, and come back to it if it happens. Too much manipulation here which will go horribly wrong unless you're just open and honest, and don't put the rent up!

you haven't read the responses in the thread or maybe the responses are not appearing fast enough on the site.  read again about the rent increase.

Well if you're only going to increase the rent if they won't leave, then they still won't leave, they just won't pay the rent either.

but then i would be able to claim unpaid rent through the courts though?  landlords have the right to increase the rent and if the tenants do not pay it, the landlord can claim this through the court?

otherwise tenants would never agree to any rent increase surely?

What is it you actually want to achieve here because your actions could result in you not having the house vacant for 18 months at this rate.

how much difference is there between the rent you are charging and the 'going' rent for the area?

JuanBallOfWimbledon

This is one of the (many) reasons I can’t wait to own and I hope I never have to deal with a landlord again. I know everyone has to look after their own interests, but it almost always seems as though landlords totally disregard their tenants, like they’re a source of income and nothing more. Yes 2 months may be the minimum notice, and the market may be ‘fast moving’, but living at the mercy of someone else’s whims and having to up and leave at the drop of a hat is blimmin stressful! The more notice, the less so. It’s always expected that tenants should leave when it’s convenient for the LL, yet in my 30 odd years of renting, I’ve only come across one landlord who even considered what’s convenient to the tenant (many don’t even carry out their basic responsibilities as a LL, in my experience). 

Just give them as much notice as possible, there’s likely to be no need to think about rent increases as a way to force them out then. Because regardless of legal cover and recovering rent via court, forced evictions are stressful, lengthy, costly affairs. You’ve an easy way to make that situation much less likely. Spend the next few months making sure all your ducks are in a row so that any s21 issued will at least be valid. 

theartfullodger

Were those the rights that Thatcher granted them to stay in the property through expiry of s21, start of court proceedings, court granting court order, expiry of court order then bailiffs/hceo?

You're not suggesting Thatcher was wrong are you ?

Rights granted in same Housing Act 1988 that permits landlords to serve a S21 notice.

p00hsticks

AskAsk said:

michael1234 said:

If it was me, I'd ask to see them and then would adopt a very nice, low-key attitude almost as if they are more important that you (because you definitely don't want to present yourself as the opposite). Then I'd explain I want to sell the house in March and even though the legal minimum is 2 months I would say I'm offering much more notice than that blah blah blah....

Putting up the rent or generally playing hardball is going to annoy/upset them. So much more chance of if it going badly wrong.

i would only increase the rent if they refused to leave next year even though i have given them plenty of notice as then they are being unreasonable and so playing nice is not going to work.

but the consensus is to give as much notice as possible to avoid them staying on, so i will do this, and if they still refuse to move out in march then i will have to recourse to the law.  however, as i had mentioned earlier, it is not in the tenants' interest to upset the landlord either and be unreasonable as they won't be able to get a landlord reference and this is critical to get a new place.

being marched out or receiving a court eviction notice is also not for most people unless you are that way inclined and don't much care to receive court orders.  not to mention court fees and some other costs will be recoverable from the tenants once evicted so most people will not want to be doing this.

Unless of course they will be looking to the council to rehouse them, in which case the council will be telling them not to make themselves 'intentionally homeless' but to stay put until they are evicted.....