EV cost per mile?

fred990

Flight3287462 said:

Just remember at some point the government are going to come looking for the £30-£35bn they will be losing from VED, Fuel Duty and VAT.

So make the most of it just now it won't last.

Indeed. As low mileage users of three vehicles we sometimes barely reach 5000 mls a year, walking/cycling long distances to get around. Even if the charging was free the purchase cost of replacement cars after decades would still not break even, add road pricing/ved replacement and it's a non-starter.

It'll be interesting to see how the shed/bangernomics side of ev's pans out.....

BOWFER

fred990 said:

It'll be interesting to see how the shed/bangernomics side of ev's pans out.....

Indeed.
What people tend to forget or ignore with EVs is that a decreased range that makes the car useless for one person, is still perfectly useable for others.
Banger drivers surely aren't long distance drivers, who would want that constant risk, so a reduced range EV may be available cheaply to them in future and suit their meagre mileage needs fine.

Herzlos

Flight3287462 said:

Just remember at some point the government are going to come looking for the £30-£35bn they will be losing from VED, Fuel Duty and VAT.

So make the most of it just now it won't last.

What makes you think that'll only apply to EV's? It's not viable to determine if the electricity used in a house is going to a car or not, so the only ways to compensate for the fuel duty loss would be a flat rate on all cars or a per mile rate on all cars. ICE cars will likely take the same hit but still have to pay 4x as much for the fuel.

Herzlos

fred990 said:

It'll be interesting to see how the shed/bangernomics side of ev's pans out.....

Definitely, because I suspect the value of the batteries is always going to be above the £500 banger point, as house storage or whatever.

But again, with the total cost of motoring, a £2000 EV may still be cheaper to own and run than a £500 banger that needs regular work to pass MOT.

BOWFER

Herzlos said:

fred990 said:

It'll be interesting to see how the shed/bangernomics side of ev's pans out.....

But again, with the total cost of motoring, a £2000 EV may still be cheaper to own and run than a £500 banger that needs regular work to pass MOT.

Oh god, cue posts saying their £500 car has only needed a numberplate bulb in X years....

Grumpy_chap

BOWFER said:

Banger drivers surely aren't long distance drivers,

I understand the logic of that, but think there are a fair number of "bangernomics" drivers with a long commute. 

Up until COVID I was doing 70 mile each way commute in a 2007 145k mile Focus.  When doing that level of commute (30k miles per year) without a company car, the options are either to go for something where depreciation is zilch or go for a high monthly cost (whether lease, PCP or straightforward depreciation).  I accepted maintenance charges of up to £1,200 per year as that was still less than 3 or 4 months of a standard PCP and much lower than a PCP with that sort of mileage allowed for.

troffasky

Herzlos said:

Flight3287462 said:

Just remember at some point the government are going to come looking for the £30-£35bn they will be losing from VED, Fuel Duty and VAT.

What makes you think that'll only apply to EV's?

What makes you think he thinks that?

Herzlos said:

It's not viable to determine if the electricity used in a house is going to a car or not, so the only ways to compensate for the fuel duty loss would be a flat rate on all cars or a per mile rate on all cars. ICE cars will likely take the same hit but still have to pay 4x as much for the fuel.

Different road pricing rates can be allocated to different classes of vehicle. Vehicles have to be registered with the government to be used legally on public roads already, and the salient facts about vehicles are already being collected.

A responsible government would be starting a public debate about road pricing already. Unfortunately waiting until the last moment to make painful decisions is a pattern of behaviour already evident with this government, and they're probably hoping it's going to be the next administration's problem.

Jenni_D

troffasky said:

A responsible government would be starting a public debate about road pricing already. Unfortunately waiting until the last moment to make painful decisions is a pattern of behaviour already evident with this government, and they're probably hoping it's going to be the next administration's problem.

But surely they're planning/hoping to BE that next administration?  

BOWFER

Jenni_D said:

troffasky said:

A responsible government would be starting a public debate about road pricing already. Unfortunately waiting until the last moment to make painful decisions is a pattern of behaviour already evident with this government, and they're probably hoping it's going to be the next administration's problem.

But surely they're planning/hoping to BE that next administration?  

Unfortunately, without a coalition, they probably will be the next administration.
Even hugely embarrassing U-turns like they've literally just announced (Owen Paterson) doesn't seem to affect their voter base.

Grumpy_chap

Jenni_D said:

troffasky said:

A responsible government would be starting a public debate about road pricing already. Unfortunately waiting until the last moment to make painful decisions is a pattern of behaviour already evident with this government, and they're probably hoping it's going to be the next administration's problem.

But surely they're planning/hoping to BE that next administration?  

They will still hope they can kick it out until the next administration again.  And whoever that next next administration is will try to kick it out again.