EV cost per mile?

BOWFER

fred990 said:

ElefantEd said:

If you budget for 4p/mile you will almost certainly be pleasantly surprised. After 6 or 7 years of owning an EV and an ICE, cost per mile is about 10p more for the ICE in fuel. Maintenance is also typically less in an EV, there is simply less to go wrong  (e.g. no exhaust system).

Not a huge saving then unless you're doing mega miles or have to go into a ulez type zone? Its probably what puts most people off without even looking at the purchase price! 

Sadly forcing people into ev's and scrapping perfectly good ice vehicles I don't see as a way to save mankind. Fuel should have been rationed for endless easy motoring decades ago.....degrowth is the answer, I'm sure Greta would agree!

Not a huge saving??
I can do around 98 miles for £1.40
At current petrol prices, that same 98 miles in a car doing 40mpg would cost me £13.25
And who exactly is "scrapping perfectly good ICE vehicles?"

Thrugelmir

macman said:

However, the long term repair cost should be much lower: no gearbox, clutch, starter motor, water pump, alternator, oil pump, fuel pump, air and oil filters, exhaust system, cat, DPF, radiator...
Even if you allow for charging costs doubling, it's still half the typical cost of fueling an ICE car.

How much electonic wizardry is in your EV?  Great until it goes wrong and black boxes, screen displays fail etc. Like the great ICE classic cars of the past. As they aged they become troublesome. 

jimbo6977

Thrugelmir said:

macman said:

However, the long term repair cost should be much lower: no gearbox, clutch, starter motor, water pump, alternator, oil pump, fuel pump, air and oil filters, exhaust system, cat, DPF, radiator...
Even if you allow for charging costs doubling, it's still half the typical cost of fueling an ICE car.

How much electonic wizardry is in your EV?  Great until it goes wrong and black boxes, screen displays fail etc. Like the great ICE classic cars of the past. As they aged they become troublesome. 

In a Leaf for example, not much, in fact the ICE / HVAC controls look positively antediluvian by modern standards, which I regard as a "good thing! 

Some electric cars are trying to be too clever, but the same is true of many modern ICE cars. 

fred990

Thrugelmir said:

macman said:

However, the long term repair cost should be much lower: no gearbox, clutch, starter motor, water pump, alternator, oil pump, fuel pump, air and oil filters, exhaust system, cat, DPF, radiator...
Even if you allow for charging costs doubling, it's still half the typical cost of fueling an ICE car.

How much electonic wizardry is in your EV?  Great until it goes wrong and black boxes, screen displays fail etc. Like the great ICE classic cars of the past. As they aged they become troublesome. 

Interestingly there was an item on lbc radio yesterday, an rac bod said they were turning into a tow away service for ev's! Too many systems that can't be fixed roadside and people running short of electrons. 

troffasky

fred990 said:

Interestingly there was an item on lbc radio yesterday, an rac bod said they were turning into a tow away service for ev's! Too many systems that can't be fixed roadside and people running short of electrons. 

I think if the RAC said that they weren't a tow away service, that would be way more newsworthy.

BOWFER

fred990 said:

Thrugelmir said:

macman said:

However, the long term repair cost should be much lower: no gearbox, clutch, starter motor, water pump, alternator, oil pump, fuel pump, air and oil filters, exhaust system, cat, DPF, radiator...
Even if you allow for charging costs doubling, it's still half the typical cost of fueling an ICE car.

How much electonic wizardry is in your EV?  Great until it goes wrong and black boxes, screen displays fail etc. Like the great ICE classic cars of the past. As they aged they become troublesome. 

Interestingly there was an item on lbc radio yesterday, an rac bod said they were turning into a tow away service for ev's! Too many systems that can't be fixed roadside and people running short of electrons. 

There's no excuse for people to run out of fuel in any car.
I can only speak for the Leaf, but this is my second one and I've been  a member of several large forums for years.
I'd say a far higher proportion of EV owners join forums too, as it's new tech and they want the shared knowledge.
Very few actual breakdowns.

Herzlos

fred990 said:

ElefantEd said:

If you budget for 4p/mile you will almost certainly be pleasantly surprised. After 6 or 7 years of owning an EV and an ICE, cost per mile is about 10p more for the ICE in fuel. Maintenance is also typically less in an EV, there is simply less to go wrong  (e.g. no exhaust system).

Not a huge saving then unless you're doing mega miles or have to go into a ulez type zone? Its probably what puts most people off without even looking at the purchase price! 

Sadly forcing people into ev's and scrapping perfectly good ice vehicles I don't see as a way to save mankind. Fuel should have been rationed for endless easy motoring decades ago.....degrowth is the answer, I'm sure Greta would agree!

Depends how good you are at maths, I guess. 10p/mile saved over an average 7800 mile driving pattern means a saving of £780/year.  It might take a few years to recoup the price difference but it likely already exceeds the monthly price difference from a lease or PCP.

The cut-off point is a lot lower than you'd expect in many cases, but it'll depend very much on the mileage you do. Most of mine is trips of under 1 mile where diesel is awful.

We get that you don't like modern things or electric cars, but you're fighting a losing battle trying to bash them.

Keep_pedalling

fred990 said:

Thrugelmir said:

macman said:

However, the long term repair cost should be much lower: no gearbox, clutch, starter motor, water pump, alternator, oil pump, fuel pump, air and oil filters, exhaust system, cat, DPF, radiator...
Even if you allow for charging costs doubling, it's still half the typical cost of fueling an ICE car.

How much electonic wizardry is in your EV?  Great until it goes wrong and black boxes, screen displays fail etc. Like the great ICE classic cars of the past. As they aged they become troublesome. 

Interestingly there was an item on lbc radio yesterday, an rac bod said they were turning into a tow away service for ev's! Too many systems that can't be fixed roadside and people running short of electrons. 

Modern ICE vehicles are full of the same sort of tech, so many faults on those can’t be fixed roadside either. 

Herzlos

Most modern car failures can't be fixed at the roadside these days, so the RAC has largely turned into a tyre changing, refuelling (ICE or EV) or recovery service.

Flight3287462

Just remember at some point the government are going to come looking for the £30-£35bn they will be losing from VED, Fuel Duty and VAT.

So make the most of it just now it won't last.