Insurance for driver previously disqualified?

DB1904

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

ontheroad1970

DB1904 said:

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

New driver rules only apply if he hits 6 points.  If he had 3 points and a normal 21 day disqualification, he would not have his licence revoked under new driver legislation, though this would be unusual as usually a magistrate would take the points up to 6 points to trigger the revocation.  If he has a TT99 for totting then he would have more than the SP30 - he would have had to hit 12 points or more.

DB1904

ontheroad1970 said:

DB1904 said:

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

New driver rules only apply if he hits 6 points.  If he had 3 points and a normal 21 day disqualification, he would not have his licence revoked under new driver legislation, though this would be unusual as usually a magistrate would take the points up to 6 points to trigger the revocation.  If he has a TT99 for totting then he would have more than the SP30 - he would have had to hit 12 points or more.

None of which explains why he needs to take a test, the only logical answer is his licence was revoked before he got the TT99.

Scooby70

DB1904 said:

ontheroad1970 said:

DB1904 said:

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

New driver rules only apply if he hits 6 points.  If he had 3 points and a normal 21 day disqualification, he would not have his licence revoked under new driver legislation, though this would be unusual as usually a magistrate would take the points up to 6 points to trigger the revocation.  If he has a TT99 for totting then he would have more than the SP30 - he would have had to hit 12 points or more.

None of which explains why he needs to take a test, the only logical answer is his licence was revoked before he got the TT99.

It was within 2 years of gaining his license: As soon as you reach six penalty points within two years of passing your driving test, your driving license is immediately revoked. This will remain the case until you apply for a new driving license. 

Scooby70

ontheroad1970 said:

DB1904 said:

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

New driver rules only apply if he hits 6 points.  If he had 3 points and a normal 21 day disqualification, he would not have his licence revoked under new driver legislation, though this would be unusual as usually a magistrate would take the points up to 6 points to trigger the revocation.  If he has a TT99 for totting then he would have more than the SP30 - he would have had to hit 12 points or more.

He definitely had more than 12 points, got a tt99 and in court was verbally told 6 month ban license revoked under new driver. However, on his driving record on line it only shows 1 x SP30: 3 points and the TT90  where it says disqualification period it just says 21 days - not 6 months. 

ontheroad1970

There must be more than just the SP30 to trigger the TT99, as a normal ban would not trigger the revocation.  

born_again

SP 30 could be 6 points. So that would be enough for a new drive ban.
But had they received any points prior to getting a licence or on their provisional for the TT99?

DB1904

ontheroad1970 said:

There must be more than just the SP30 to trigger the TT99, as a normal ban would not trigger the revocation.  

So normal TT99 would not require a retest.

DB1904

Scooby70 said:

ontheroad1970 said:

DB1904 said:

TooManyPoints said:

A second thing is has he correctly declared his convictions? As you've presented it he was convicted of speeding, disqualified and also had his licensed revoked. 

There is no reason for his licence to have been revoked.

But, as said, the story does not quite add up. It would be very unusual for an "Exceptional Hardship" argument to result in a ban being reduced from six months to 21 days. Although Magistrates do have the discretion to impose a shorter ban, if the argument is successful it usually results in no ban at all. 

Have you asked your daughter's boyfriend what he was told in court when he was disqualified? It is quite important because he has to declare accurately his convictions and the sentences he has had imposed. In addition to the TT99 he should also have at least two, and up to four convictions which led to the "Totting Up".

So new driver rules do not apply if you get a short ban? So he's no need to take a test as I can't see TT99 resulting in being disqualified until test passed. 

New driver rules only apply if he hits 6 points.  If he had 3 points and a normal 21 day disqualification, he would not have his licence revoked under new driver legislation, though this would be unusual as usually a magistrate would take the points up to 6 points to trigger the revocation.  If he has a TT99 for totting then he would have more than the SP30 - he would have had to hit 12 points or more.

He definitely had more than 12 points, got a tt99 and in court was verbally told 6 month ban license revoked under new driver. However, on his driving record on line it only shows 1 x SP30: 3 points and the TT90  where it says disqualification period it just says 21 days - not 6 months. 

So as his ban was less than 56 days he wouldn't have needed to surrender his licence at court. So what happened to it?

ontheroad1970

DB1904 said:

ontheroad1970 said:

There must be more than just the SP30 to trigger the TT99, as a normal ban would not trigger the revocation.  

So normal TT99 would not require a retest.

Not normally, no.  What doesn't make sense is that there is an SP30 and a TT99.  There has to be more than the SP30 to get the TT99.  Anything 6 points and above would trigger the revocation.  There has to be another offence in there for the TT99 to come into play.