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pochase

Bloomberg link was also working fine for without a paywall.

Bigger question for me is the second part of the article that was saying  that we will need upgrades to the grid costing billions to avoid problems like the above, that we were overproducing electricity in Scotland at the same time that we were buying from Belgium and the issue is that the grid could not handle it.

Would that fall under maintenance, thus covered by standing charges, or who is going to pay for the required upgrades?

markin

wakeupalarm said:

QrizB said:

"Eight houses for a year" sounds like the purchase was for something like 24MWh, so roughly £240k spent.

£240,000!
Surely they could have just bunged 8 houses less then £30,000 each for 1h disruption?
What's the current compensation level £30 per day isn't it?
£30x8= £240
£240 compensation vs £240,000, hmm.

Without looking it up 24MWh would be about 48K homes without power for an hr?

markin

pochase said:

Bloomberg link was also working fine for without a paywall.

Bigger question for me is the second part of the article that was saying  that we will need upgrades to the grid costing billions to avoid problems like the above, that we were overproducing electricity in Scotland at the same time that we were buying from Belgium and the issue is that the grid could not handle it.

Would that fall under maintenance, thus covered by standing charges, or who is going to pay for the required upgrades?

The 2 N/S cables just built/being built are going on the standing charge.

Xbigman

Sea_Shell said:

Xbigman said:

MattMattMattUK said:

They should have probably let the power go out, essential services would have backups, large businesses have backups and a couple of hours of the power going out might wake people up to the fact that we are all going to have to economise, on top of a reasonable probability of power cuts this winter. 

I totally agree. Its time we stopped covering problems up and let people know what the issues are. 


Darren

It does beg the question as to where exactly is the "line in the sand" above which we will just not pay?

Its not about the cost its about the fact that the problem existed in the first place. People need to be made aware we have a grid that is operating on such thin margins the lights could go out at any time. Oh yeah, and its summer. 


Darren 

SJMALBA

Bloomberg article fine for me too; however, if some are still unable to view, this should help:

https://archive.ph/wjtZb

Sea_Shell

Xbigman said:

Sea_Shell said:

Xbigman said:

MattMattMattUK said:

They should have probably let the power go out, essential services would have backups, large businesses have backups and a couple of hours of the power going out might wake people up to the fact that we are all going to have to economise, on top of a reasonable probability of power cuts this winter. 

I totally agree. Its time we stopped covering problems up and let people know what the issues are. 


Darren

It does beg the question as to where exactly is the "line in the sand" above which we will just not pay?

Its not about the cost its about the fact that the problem existed in the first place. People need to be made aware we have a grid that is operating on such thin margins the lights could go out at any time. Oh yeah, and its summer. 


Darren 

I've read the full article now. 

Crazy that we don't have the (enough) capacity to move power around the country as and when needed.

And there was me thinking it was the "National Grid"....silly me😉

Massive investment is needed it would seem....meaning higher standing charges I assume? 

What_time_is_it

What's the latest projection for the unit / sc price cap on 1st October and 1st January?

QrizB

pochase said:

Bigger question for me is the second part of the article that was saying  that we will need upgrades to the grid costing billions to avoid problems like the above, that we were overproducing electricity in Scotland at the same time that we were buying from Belgium and the issue is that the grid could not handle it.

That's been the case for a while. During windy periods, Scottish generators are paid to switch their turbines off.

Would that fall under maintenance, thus covered by standing charges, or who is going to pay for the required upgrades?

There's a £54B upgrade plan. I'm expecting it to be funded by bill payers, one way or another. (Not just domestic bill payers; commercial users should be meeting their share of the cost.)

See also NG ESO's press release for more details.

markin

I don't recall reading this back in march. 

Energy firm SSE gets UK nod to build 2-GW Scotland-England subsea power line

"It will run from Peterhead in the northeast of Scotland to Drax in Yorkshire, England"
"The main construction work is due to begin in early 2025, and startup is targeted for 2029, SSE said."
Cost £2.1B

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/energy-firm-sse-gets-uk-nod-build-2-gw-scotland-england-subsea-power-line-2022-03-30/

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2 links, The other one from Torness to Hawthorn Pit in County Durham,
https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/electric-power/071122-uk-regulator-ofgem-confirms-need-for-huge-eastern-hvdc-link

markin

The problem on the 20th seems to be that we are exporting 2gw to France



 



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