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  • bristolleedsfan
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    More detail of what Energy UK said.

    https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/news/energy-debt-hits-6-billion/

    "The latest data illustrate that over three million customers are now in debt or arrears and the average amount owed is around £1,800"

  • Scot_39
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    edited 28 August at 1:18AM

    Ofgem data charts for their debt in repayment and 90day+ arrears without a repayment plan yet in place - are still only updated to end Q1 2026.

    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/data/debt-and-arrears-indicators

    And their total debt in repayment+90days arrears a lower £4.79 bn at end of March 2026. Up £240m in that quarter. Suspect we might see headlines soon quoting them going over £5bn at that rate for Q2.

    There are over 1.1m electric customers in their arrears stats - so not yet in formal dept repayment - and 851,000 - in actual debt repayment plans (as of end Q1).

    Lets call that a round 2 million - out of c29 million homes (my guess - figures Ive read vary wildly from 25m to 33m) in last couple of years.

    There are lower numbers for gas - but no idea if they are the same households or not (I'd guess they would be - but only a guess) - given way Ofgem chart the results.

    And the problem is we all - when Ofgem last produced the new single figure debt cost - paying £50 - to try and keep control of the growing debts of others.

    Ofgem were also consulting last year - adding more debt specials - writing off debt - paid for by you guessed it other consumers. Not sure where thats at now.

    Its ironic that the govt - after 2 years of EM and others policy continually loading our bills - has started to accept - at least temporarily - bills are no longer suitable place to indiscriminately recover - regardless of peoples energy needs and ability to pay - at least some green levies (but remember 25% of RO remains and other scandals like 3% on unit rates for FIT subsidies remain).

    But still load the bills of all - including those getting or for those genuinely in debt needing help (the cant not the wont pay - if any) - like the 6.1m with WHD and those 0.85m in repayment if not all 2m in both Ofgem catagories - with supplier debt. WHD and debt aid - around another £100 combined (iirc £96+VAT) as of Apr 26 on the top line at cap levels.

    Energy debt isnt new - the Ofgem charts show spikes in past.

    The only glimmer of hope in Ofgem charts - but too soon to claim victory - given the July 13%, Oct 4% (despite 5% vat cut on electric) and others including MSE forecasting as much as 10%+ to come in Jan rises in prices - is the potential recent plateau on the numbers in arrears.

    Simply passing the debt onto other bill payers arguably suits govts, suppliers and of course (if they exist in any real numbers) the deliberate wont payers.

    Govts (of both hues in WM over recent decades) have loaded £100s onto the bills of all of us - including no doubt many of the 2m in Ofgem stats - over many years - like the £122 RO - the first scheme on that started 24 years ago - the last 9 years ago iirc - in GB, Eco, other net zero, WHD etc - making the problem far worse for those struggling with costs.

    You do have to wonder - how much lower debt levels for many of the current 2m would be (and historically would have been) - if they hadn't.

  • JKenH
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    edited 28 August at 8:39AM


    The Guardian article linked by QrizB in the comment below made this observation about the fall in TDCV.

    “The average bill under the price cap was calculated assuming lower annual energy use than in previous years, because the high cost of energy has forced many households to use less gas and electricity as debt levels rise.”

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  • Ildhund
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    @JKenH quoted:

    The Guardian article linked by QrizB in the comment below made this observation about the fall in TDCV:
    “The average bill under the price cap was calculated assuming lower annual energy use than in previous years, because the high cost of energy has forced many households to use less gas and electricity as debt levels rise.”

    The Guardian has extracted just one of many reasons why energy use has declined in 'recent years' to support its own arguments. Ofgem exposes several different causes of the fall in consumption, which interested readers can find for example under the sub-heading Consumption drivers in §3.1 - 3.8 of their Review of typical domestic consumption values

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  • debitcardmayhem
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    Another addition to standing charges GSO to fund hydrogen projects

    https://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/news/energy-costs-31-8-26/

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  • molerat
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    edited 31 August at 7:01PM

    Conversation in DESNZ

    I've got an idea

    All very good but how are we going to fund it ?

    Put a levy on energy consumers, simples !

    Increasing tax without increasing tax.

    DESNZ / OFGEM, replacing HMRC as the nation's tax collector.

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  • Scot_39
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    At a peak of well over £200 (£236 ex VAT) before Aprils partial shift of RO to taxation for the policy line alone - energy bills have been raising money for things like Eco and Net Zero subsidies for literally decades.

    And even after the budget changes - the Apr policy line was still £106+vat.

    Quite often the charges come in as a trickle.

    Like the £1 pm for the recent nuclear funding plan (for Sizewell etc), £2 a month - like the recent WHD Extension and re costing (kind of backbilled) of total scheme costs (added £24 to total c£46 ex VAT over 3m - again until Apr move to unit rates - paid fully by those in receipt too).

    And hey presto years later - and your suddenly at the peak £236 - over £20 pm by time add VAT.

    You have to wonder whether without those "stealth taxes" - the majority of the c2m folk currently in Ofgem debt / 90 day+ arrears figures to suppliers - would be in as much debt or in fact in some cases any debt at all.

    Take Ofgems Q1 £4.79bn/2m = c£2400 on average per fuel (if not per household) - a couple of hundred pounds less on top lines a year for many could have made their total debts a lot lower.

    Ironically the costs of helping the poorest - the WHD £46 (now only if can afford to consume at cap TDCV) - and the debt £50 - even just those two werec/ are adding c£100 to their top line bills.

  • Scot_39
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    edited 1 September at 12:50PM

    Gas Hit 176p/therm briefly earlier today.

    (uk but also eu live ) pricing spiking again according to this one metric

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/uk-natural-gas

    Thought July c150p bad enough.

    Looked today as someone mentioned oil as a useful guide to future energy costs in another thread but as table below chart

    Gas spot up almost 125% cf this time last year.

    OIL only near 35%.

    furures on ICE site - not had a chance to review yet.

    Since weekend spat and maybe also as pertinent fresh warnings on stores ( e.g. Germany industry body prediction looking likely to miss Nov target released c3 days ago at current fill rates).

    Not sure if thats still eu lowered targets (10% lower advised in spring - were they adopted EU wide ?). Are they still in place this winter ? Or are stores having to make any of that 10% relaxation up now if followed the new target advice over summer increasing demand side pressures - so prices even more - now ?

  • michaels
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    Of course about 400-500 of that increase is down to the seasonality of energy usage coupled with fixed monthly DD payments designed to average over the year.

    Then there is a question of how often DDs are reassessed, if they are not updated until April then the rest of the increase in debt is explained entirely by the Oct and Jan price increases not triggering an immediate DD adjustment.

    A final note, if you fall out of DD/prepay you become subject to about £130 pa of late payment charges/higher tariff so that could also go a long way to explaining why increasing arrears are very hard to escape.

    I think....
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