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Chrysalis

It was never gone, criteria was tightened, now its quite generous criteria and marketed as a reversal.

QrizB

debitcardmayhem said:

Where can you get supply and fit of heat pumps for 700-1000?

In amongst the rant they did say air-to-air, and those are fairly cheap.

£1000 example incl. fitting:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284904394863

Scot_39

QrizB said:

debitcardmayhem said:

Where can you get supply and fit of heat pumps for 700-1000?

In amongst the rant they did say air-to-air, and those are fairly cheap.

£1000 example incl. fitting:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284904394863

Had seen that level for 1 internal room reverse air con air to air - but the piccies include examples with external compressor and multi room head units.

But it's certainly a lot cheaper than the wet systems.

Which may or may not drop, but arguably the £7500 grant sets a minimum price in some suppliers mind sets.

QrizB

Scot_39 said:

QrizB said:

debitcardmayhem said:

Where can you get supply and fit of heat pumps for 700-1000?

In amongst the rant they did say air-to-air, and those are fairly cheap.

£1000 example incl. fitting:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284904394863

Had seen that level for 1 internal room reverse air con air to air - but the piccies include examples with external compressor and multi room head units.

There's a few sellers on eBay offering similar systems.

Heres a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries one, from an installer in Frome:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155662267432

I note they're all "subject to survey" or whatnot so I guess the surveyor could suck their teeth and say "sorry guv, you've got <technobabble> it'll be £3k"?

WiserMiser

QrizB said:

debitcardmayhem said:

Where can you get supply and fit of heat pumps for 700-1000?

In amongst the rant they did say air-to-air, and those are fairly cheap.

£1000 example incl. fitting:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284904394863

I'd want to know a lot more about the seller, e.g. real names of people and company etc.  Quite apart from losing money if it doesn't work properly or last a reasonable time, I'd want to know who I was letting into my house.

There's also the risk of making good any damage to the fabric of the building, water leaks etc.  £1000 if it's Octopus or an established name with a good reputation, but otherwise I'd be very wary.  Ebay seems almost as anonymous as a doorstep caller.

wrf12345

Recent quote I got for split air to air for one room was £500 for the Daikin unit and £250 for fitting, probably assuming a nearby 13 amp (consuming max 1200W) spur and bit of concrete to rest it on, that is in Torbay. There are DIY pre-gassed units for less than that total and one piece units for a little more but the latter not inverter type. With the Cosy tariff that would be cheaper than running gas, assuming the main room was properly insulated.

Re council tax, pays approx 20 percent of council spending, which is approx two-thirds waste so plenty of room to phase it out, starting with bands A-C. 

BTW WFP is £200 for single pensioner or £150 each if two pensioners. All pensioners will get it but those above £35k will have it clawed back through the tax system (if one pensioner is above and one below 35k they will net £150). Looks like some clever guy has worked out how to get the Revenue's computers to work properly.

Ildhund

Sticking to WFP for a moment, what can the justification possibly be for hiking the eligibility threshold up by ~200%? Most single Pension Credit recipients have a basic annual income of £11,809, so why jump from there to £35,000 and boost the number of beneficiaries by a factor of six? I don't think anyone demanded or expected this level of generosity.

mmmmikey

Ildhund said:

Sticking to WFP for a moment, what can the justification possibly be for hiking the eligibility threshold up by ~200%? Most single Pension Credit recipients have a basic annual income of £11,809, so why jump from there to £35,000 and boost the number of beneficiaries by a factor of six? I don't think anyone demanded or expected this level of generosity.

That's the essence of my frustration. I saw a job advert today for a bin collector at a salary of £25,000ish. Why is it that a pensioner with an income of just under £35,000 should receive a payment and a bin collector shouldn't? The thing that has wound me up so much is the stereotyping that labels pensioners as poor and needy, where as the reality is that a great many of them are not. I'd much rather have seen an increase to the pension credit threshold and income support that puts the money where it's needed rather than to the group that shouts the most.

Scot_39

Phones4Chris said:

mmmmikey said

And those on a better Final Salary Pension (for which they paid their contributions) they will pay tax on the WFP, another fact I think you are forgetting. Let's leave it at that.

WFP wasn't taxable before and paid iirc per household.

It will now be assessed on a split basis for tax if IFS Paul Johnson ? correct in bbc article.

If IFS correct or ML correct the WFP now split and partners of those on £50+k paying 40%, on £125k+ paying 45% even dare I say it millionaires - get to keep their half of payment.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2025/06/winter-fuel-payment-criteria-confirmed/

Doesn't seem to line up with 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gr0erw3xpo

Suspect not what was intended at all- but that's what often  happens when poor politicians of various hues in  past rush to make changes in a panic.

As this appears to be.

Scot_39

Getting back to energy

Sizewell C gets approval (£14+ bn) finally 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gr3nd5zy6o


But you have to wonder who briefs Reeves and whether they have heard of Hinkley C - an identical sister plant still currently under construction "this generation"