NHS TEST AND TRACE NOTIFICATIONS

djh

My wife and I have had two recent trips to Spain by air. On both occasions we have duly completed all forms and tests .In September we had a positive contact notification without any specific detail and had to isolate.
This has now happened a second time although due to rule changes we do not have to isolate.
My suspicion is Test and Trace are sending these positive contact notifications randomly or by an automated program for Data Gathering whether a positive contact has been made or not. We do not have the test and trace App. and have proved negative in all subsequent tests.
It would be interesting to if this indeed the case and other travellers experience,

onashoestring

Why would they do that ? 

eskbanker

Seems to me that spending hours cooped up in a metal tube with a bunch of strangers increases the risk of infection, not to mention other aspects of travel (within/to/from airports at each end, etc), so why suspect randomness?  The vast majority of those contacted test negative but in itself that doesn't mean that the process is flawed....

djh

eskbanker said:

Seems to me that spending hours cooped up in a metal tube with a bunch of strangers increases the risk of infection, not to mention other aspects of travel (within/to/from airports at each end, etc), so why suspect randomness?  The vast majority of those contacted test negative but in itself that doesn't mean that the process is flawed....

Do they contact many underground users, I wonder, who do not have the app.

djh

onashoestring said:

Why would they do that ? 

    To find out how many respond to Test And Trace.
    I remember going through airport security screening once after questioning why the        alarm sounded was told it activated after a  given amount of people went through.
    

eskbanker

djh said:

eskbanker said:

Seems to me that spending hours cooped up in a metal tube with a bunch of strangers increases the risk of infection, not to mention other aspects of travel (within/to/from airports at each end, etc), so why suspect randomness?  The vast majority of those contacted test negative but in itself that doesn't mean that the process is flawed....

Do they contact many underground users, I wonder, who do not have the app.

Strawman argument - the (lack of) pre-conditions for travelling on such domestic public transport are inherently different from the controlled environment of international point-to-point transportation, so by choosing to participate in the latter, you're intrinsically contactable.

TheShape

djh said:

onashoestring said:

Why would they do that ? 

    To find out how many respond to Test And Trace.
    I remember going through airport security screening once after questioning why the        alarm sounded was told it activated after a  given amount of people went through.
    

Surely you understand that as well as security equipment alerting staff to instances where a person or item sets off a device due to it being suspicious or warranting further checks that there are also further random checks conducted?  The security staff won't have bothered giving you an in depth run-through of security arrangement hence the 'it goes off after a certain number of people' explanation.

J_B

djh said:

............. who do not have the app.

I deleted the NHS Covis App ages ago but still have the 'ordinary' NHS App and got pinged yesterday.

After telling them I was double jabbed etc it said something like I had to be careful till 25th October, so when did I have contact with the 'offender'?

soolin

My DS and DIL travelled together on holiday, seated together and remained together on the flight and at airports yet my son has been pinged and my DIL hasn’t . The only time they were any distance apart was when or other visited the toilets, so it must have been then. Luckily they both currently work from home and there is no need to isolate anyway. 

jon81uk

J_B said:

djh said:

............. who do not have the app.

I deleted the NHS Covis App ages ago but still have the 'ordinary' NHS App and got pinged yesterday.

After telling them I was double jabbed etc it said something like I had to be careful till 25th October, so when did I have contact with the 'offender'?

Check in the settings of your phone to see if exposure notifications are on or not. You should not be able to get "pinged" by an app you don't have installed. Its possible the exposure notifications are still on in the phone settings even though you removed the app? Or did you not remove the app properly?

If you do have the app to get pinged, go into settings in the app, then other data and it will show the date of the encounter.

Or did you get a phone call to tell you that you had been in contact with someone? That has nothing to do with any app and is reliant on the person testing positive giving details of contacts to the contact tracing call centre.

R3dders

My understanding which is backed up with personal experience is that if one person on a short haul flight tests positive on day 2 after travel the whole plane gets contacted and asked to isolate unless double jabbed.  4 of us on plane in September all sat at various places on the plane were contacted, 3 by text and email and one by phone (obviously ticked different type of contact).  When speaking to track and trace on phone they explained the position.