Heat Pump Questions

brewerdave

Reed_Richards said:

macman said:
Why would the government give you £5K to replace a non-fossil heat source with another non-fossil source?

Your heating is already zero carbon at the point of delivery, though maybe less so at the point of generation.

Because you will use roughly a third of the electricity you were using with storage heaters, electricity generation is not zero carbon and with everybody moving to electric cars we might find electricity is in short supply in general (and in higher demand at night).

Not with the current very high prices - I suspect that a lot more older petrol cars will be on the roads for a few years yet. 

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Reed_Richards said:

macman said:
Why would the government give you £5K to replace a non-fossil heat source with another non-fossil source?

Your heating is already zero carbon at the point of delivery, though maybe less so at the point of generation.

Because you will use roughly a third of the electricity you were using with storage heaters, electricity generation is not zero carbon and with everybody moving to electric cars we might find electricity is in short supply in general (and in higher demand at night).

I am not sure that the Government is that bothered about electricity consumption. It will be interesting to see whether the grant will be conditional on a minimum EPC and what that might be. I live in an EPC A home but I am still wary of going down the heat pump route because I see little benefit in doing so. We have PV solar and an EV so I am well ahead of most people when it comes to my carbon footprint. 

Reed_Richards

If you have a gas boiler there is no financial benefit in getting a heat pump at current prices; it will cost you more to run.  However I imagine your EV will cost you more to purchase and run than a petrol car would but you have done that anyway.

sun_holidays_fan

I had a quote for an ASHP and the company told me the govt scheme was called Eco 4. It wouldn’t let me post a link. So homes that are D, E, F, G with people receiving benefits or those living off the grid will be targeted. There won’t be RHI payments for new heat pumps etc. So now maybe the time to get a heat pump if you can afford the upfront bill (£13-11k in this area) to get £7k RHI and will stay in your home 7 years. In some areas like London  there are fitters who will do it for £6k if you already have new radiators.

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sun_holidays_fan said:

I had a quote for an ASHP and the company told me the govt scheme was called Eco 4. It wouldn’t let me post a link.

Here you go if this helps although I cannot be a**** to read it all (108 pages).  But for those that want to

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1010366/eco4-consultation.pdf

Reed_Richards

DerwentMailman said:

Here you go if this helps although I cannot be a**** to read it all (108 pages).  But for those that want to

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1010366/eco4-consultation.pdf

It might be worth reading as far as the start date:

This document sets out proposals for the next Energy Company Obligation (ECO), which will run from April 2022 until March 2026 at an average cost of £1 billion per year (2021 prices). 

shinytop

sun_holidays_fan said:

I had a quote for an ASHP and the company told me the govt scheme was called Eco 4. It wouldn’t let me post a link. So homes that are D, E, F, G with people receiving benefits or those living off the grid will be targeted. There won’t be RHI payments for new heat pumps etc. So now maybe the time to get a heat pump if you can afford the upfront bill (£13-11k in this area) to get £7k RHI and will stay in your home 7 years. In some areas like London  there are fitters who will do it for £6k if you already have new radiators.

This is not the replacement for RHI.  ECO 4 is a continuation of  ECO 1-3 that's been going for some years, where suppliers are obliged to improve the energy efficiency of some their customers by charging a levy on their prices. It's aimed at those on means tested benefits.

Some interesting snippets, here (my bold)

"The RHI will close to new applications as scheduled, at the end of March 2022, but support for domestic renewable heating will continue under the Clean Heat Grant (CHG) and Home Upgrade Grant. Both schemes will focus support to off-gas grid homes."   

-ECO 4 is proposing not allowing any money to be spent on oil or LPG heating systems.  Heat pumps, including A2A, are encouraged. 
-They are considering whether it's possible to load all of the cost of ECO4 onto gas bills.  
-Any new wet CH systems should, if possible, be 'low temperature', which is defined at 55 degrees

Maybe some pointers as to where the Clean Heat Grant (CHG) and Home Upgrade Grant are heading?

YBR

Reed_Richards said:

I imagine your EV will cost you more to purchase and run than a petrol car would but you have done that anyway.

More to purchase, yes particularly as grants to get a home charge point are now low to nil. Cheaper to run in terms of "fuel", tax, and servicing.

Reed_Richards

YBR said:

Reed_Richards said:

I imagine your EV will cost you more to purchase and run than a petrol car would but you have done that anyway.

More to purchase, yes particularly as grants to get a home charge point are now low to nil. Cheaper to run in terms of "fuel", tax, and servicing.

I meant more if you take the total cost of both purchase and running, not the individual parts.

brewerdave

YBR said:

Reed_Richards said:

I imagine your EV will cost you more to purchase and run than a petrol car would but you have done that anyway.

More to purchase, yes particularly as grants to get a home charge point are now low to nil. Cheaper to run in terms of "fuel", tax, and servicing.

But won't be cheaper to run once the Govt. notice a hole in their income due to reducing fuel duty take - there will be some form of road pricing to drive the cost of EV usage up .