Turning right across white lines.

user1977

Car_54 said:

Reading the relevant legislation [The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, Schedule 6], it seems that the road markings are incorrect, and should have chevrons instead of diagonal lines.

I thought chevrons are only to demarcate lanes going in the same direction?

Car_54

user1977 said:

Car_54 said:

Reading the relevant legislation [The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, Schedule 6], it seems that the road markings are incorrect, and should have chevrons instead of diagonal lines.

I thought chevrons are only to demarcate lanes going in the same direction?

I think you're right, in which case there doesn't seem to be any legal basis at all for the markings in the OP's example.

prowla

Car_54 said:

prowla said:

Here's a picture from the HC showing solid white lines with chevrons between, so the HC does know the difference between "chevrons" and "diagonal stripes".

Indeed it does, and it makes perfectly clear that Rule 130 applies to both. "Rule 130. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road".

When you say it makes it "perfectly clear"; do you mean that it is OK to turn right there or that it is not?

What 130 says is that "These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right." and the second point says "If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.".

130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

• If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
• If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)

Therefore the white diagonal stripes are there to protect cars turning right, which they are perfectly entitled to do, as there are no chevrons.

jimbo6977

prowla said:

Car_54 said:

prowla said:

Here's a picture from the HC showing solid white lines with chevrons between, so the HC does know the difference between "chevrons" and "diagonal stripes".

Indeed it does, and it makes perfectly clear that Rule 130 applies to both. "Rule 130. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road".

When you say it makes it "perfectly clear"; do you mean that it is OK to turn right there or that it is not?

What 130 says is that "These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right." and the second point says "If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.".

130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

• If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
• If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)

Therefore the white diagonal stripes are there to protect cars turning right, which they are perfectly entitled to do, as there are no chevrons.

The protection of cars turning right is such as in this example

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Great+Birchwood/@53.7444221,-2.9173353,73m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd7aa4559119bd6e9!8m2!3d53.744526!4d-2.916878

The cars turning right are not supposed to drive on the white hatched/chevroned areas, but those areas are desighed to give right-turners space/protection.