Apologies But Need Advice RE DRP & Local Parking Security Ltd

BobJohn123

First of all, I'm sorry to start a new thread. I have read through the other threads to the best of my ability, but i am very nervous I have misunderstood or will do something wrong. 

I received a parking charge back in June while on holiday in Wales. The vehicle was parked on a strip of gravel with a parking machine that only accepted coins, yet after a year of 'contactless only' non where available.

I have ignored the letters I have been receiving however I am confused as after reading through this form it seems maybe I shouldn't have?

The creditor is Local Parking Security Ltd
The company writing to me is Debt Recovery Plus. I have received two letters so far from DRP, claiming I owe £160 (I'll add again the alleged area was a strip of gravel next to a beach in the middle of a windy weekday). 

The fine was issued in Wales however I live in Scotland. Will this make a difference to how I should proceed?

Also, I recently moved home with these letters going to my old address. My redirect with Royal Mail is about to stop. I read I should inform the DRP that I have moved. Is this correct? I have updated both my driving licence and my V5 with the DVLA.

Finally, if I understand correctly they are chasing me as the registered keeper of the vehicle, but don't mention knowing or having proof of who was driving. Does this make a difference?

Again, I'm sorry to start a new thread. I really did try to read through everything from before, but my anxiety kept telling me I was getting it wrong. 

Thank you

BobJohn123

EDIT: The parking charge originally was stuck to the car window. I think it has been thrown out. 

D_P_Dance

 I have received two letters so far from DRP, claiming I owe £160

They have added what appears to be an extra unlawful amount for debt collection. Judges have dismissed an entire claim because of this. Read this and complain to your MP.

Excel v Wilkinson

At the Bradford County Court, District Judge Claire Jackson (now HHJ Jackson, a Specialist Civil Circuit Judge) decided to hear a 'test case' a few months ago, where £60 had been added to a parking charge despite Judges up and down the country repeatedly disallowing that sum and warning parking firms not to waste court time with such spurious claims.   That case was Excel v Wilkinson: G4QZ465V, heard in July 2020 and leave to appeal was refused and that route was not pursued.  The Judge concluded that such claims are proceedings with 'an improper collateral purpose'.   This Judge - and others who have since copied her words and struck dozens of cases out in late 2020 and into 2021 - went into significant detail and concluded that parking operators (such as this Claimant) are seeking to circumvent CPR 27.14 as well as breaching the Consumer Rights Act 2015.   DJ Hickinbottom has recently struck more cases out in that court area, stating: ''I find that striking out this claim is the only appropriate manner in which the disapproval of the court can be shown''.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/16qovzulab1szem/G4QZ465V%20Excel%20v%20Wilkinson.pdf?dl=0

BobJohn123

D_P_Dance said:

 I have received two letters so far from DRP, claiming I owe £160

They have added what appears to be an extra unlawful amount for debt collection. Judges have dismissed an entire claim because of this. Read this and complain to your MP.

Excel v Wilkinson

At the Bradford County Court, District Judge Claire Jackson (now HHJ Jackson, a Specialist Civil Circuit Judge) decided to hear a 'test case' a few months ago, where £60 had been added to a parking charge despite Judges up and down the country repeatedly disallowing that sum and warning parking firms not to waste court time with such spurious claims.   That case was Excel v Wilkinson: G4QZ465V, heard in July 2020 and leave to appeal was refused and that route was not pursued.  The Judge concluded that such claims are proceedings with 'an improper collateral purpose'.   This Judge - and others who have since copied her words and struck dozens of cases out in late 2020 and into 2021 - went into significant detail and concluded that parking operators (such as this Claimant) are seeking to circumvent CPR 27.14 as well as breaching the Consumer Rights Act 2015.   DJ Hickinbottom has recently struck more cases out in that court area, stating: ''I find that striking out this claim is the only appropriate manner in which the disapproval of the court can be shown''.

Thank you for a quick response. What should I say to my MP? Will my MP be able to do anything since the fine was issued in another country? And is that all I should do? Again, sorry, but I'm getting really worked up over this. Abigale Wheeler really has been wound up, lol!

D_P_Dance

. What should I say to my MP?

What happened .. The fact that this occurred in Wales is irrelevant.

Haver you read the newbies?  If not, please do so.

pogofish

DRP is fully covered in post four of the Newbies sticky BTW.

BobJohn123

D_P_Dance said:

. What should I say to my MP?

What happened .. The fact that this occurred in Wales is irrelevant.

Haver you read the newbies?  If not, please do so.

Ok I'll drop him a email. I have read the thread but like I mentioned I'm struggling with it and worrying I am misunderstanding it.

 pogofish said:

DRP is fully covered in post four of the Newbies sticky BY THE WAY.

Ok I read that again. SO just ignore them? I can do that, lol. However, what about my address changing. Should I tell them? Im sure I read I had to tell someone (apart from DVLA) otherwise I may end up missing a court summons. 

Le_Kirk

If you have or are about to move home, send a data rectification notice to the DPO of the PPC giving your new address for service as keeper.  You require them to adjust their records and inform all of their agents and sub-contractor and to ERASE your old data.  Do not use any words from which they might/could infer the driver's name, as keeper liability does not exist in Scotland (yet).  Ignore debt collectors and deal only with the parking company.

BobJohn123

Le_Kirk said:

If you have or are about to move home, send a data rectification notice to the DPO of the PPC giving your new address for service as keeper.  You require them to adjust their records and inform all of their agents and sub-contractor and to ERASE your old data.  Do not use any words from which they might/could infer the driver's name, as keeper liability does not exist in Scotland (yet).  Ignore debt collectors and deal only with the parking company.

Thank you so much mate! I'll do this right now. Is there a template I can use? If not, I've put what I will send them below.

I have found this email for them or should I use the contact form? Lps@localparkingsecurity.co.uk


FOR THE ATTENTION OF YOUR DATA PROTECTION OFFICER 

Good afternoon,

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle NUMBERPLATE. I am writing to inform you of a change to my address for your records. My new address is ADDRESS. 

Please adjust your records, inform all of your agents and sub-contractor and ERASE all of my old data immediately.

Regards, 
MY NAME

BobJohn123

D_P_Dance said:

. What should I say to my MP?

What happened .. The fact that this occurred in Wales is irrelevant.

Haver you read the newbies?  If not, please do so.

Sorry to bring this up again, by why am I contacting my MP? Is it basically to make a complaint about this company. So it's 'added to the stack' so to speak of complaints about PPC? I assume I shouldn't expect any help from them apart from that. I also have both a MP & a MSP. Should I write to both? 

BobJohn123

Le_Kirk said:

If you have or are about to move home, send a data rectification notice to the DPO of the PPC giving your new address for service as keeper.  You require them to adjust their records and inform all of their agents and sub-contractor and to ERASE your old data.  Do not use any words from which they might/could infer the driver's name, as keeper liability does not exist in Scotland (yet).  Ignore debt collectors and deal only with the parking company.

Just read this over again. Will send the notice today, but should I also be disputing the parking charge with them? I have yet to make any contact with either company, & will not contact the debt collector as advised. Should I inform the PPC of the change of address & then also dispute the charges, or is it too late for that now?