Avro energy - new contract with new supplier is going to be ridiculous

KenUsername

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

I get your point, but I also think that when the government really wants to do something, they can, and do, regardless of public pressure groups or the like….. War, Lockdowns, HS2, they do have the power to go ahead when they want too.

I think in the past and even now, they should have fixed this issue before it became an issue, instead of trying to be popular in the moment.

Aylesbury_Duck

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

Spot on.  Too many people want cheap, reliable electricity 24 hours a day, but don't want the visual blight of windfarms, don't want to live near a power station, don't want pylons, don't want roadworks to lay cables, etc, etc.  They're looking for a magical solution that doesn't exist, or a solution that is in someone else's back yard.

KenUsername

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

Spot on.  Too many people want cheap, reliable electricity 24 hours a day, but don't want the visual blight of windfarms, don't want to live near a power station, don't want pylons, don't want roadworks to lay cables, etc, etc.  They're looking for a magical solution that doesn't exist, or a solution that is in someone else's back yard.

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

Spot on.  Too many people want cheap, reliable electricity 24 hours a day, but don't want the visual blight of windfarms, don't want to live near a power station, don't want pylons, don't want roadworks to lay cables, etc, etc.  They're looking for a magical solution that doesn't exist, or a solution that is in someone else's back yard.

I don’t want cheap electricity, I want affordable electricity.

Also, yes I understand insulation helps with cooling as well as heating, but it’s no where near good enough when it’s 28 degrees out side or higher, that’s where air conditioning gets switched on and more electricity is used..

JJ_Egan

Aylesbury_Duck said:

KenUsername said:

One of the causes of this energy price increase that is being used it that due to climate change and the hot summer we’ve just had, properties and buildings used more energy cooling down using air conditioning etc. So insulating isn’t the whole answer I’m afraid.
Staying cool is just as bad as warming up in energy consumption it seems.

You're wrong. Insulation does help keep buildings cool as well.  That's why it's such a good investment.

Not in my case bedrooms far to hot in summer and no cooling effect at all .loft and walls and windows .

Aylesbury_Duck

KenUsername said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

Spot on.  Too many people want cheap, reliable electricity 24 hours a day, but don't want the visual blight of windfarms, don't want to live near a power station, don't want pylons, don't want roadworks to lay cables, etc, etc.  They're looking for a magical solution that doesn't exist, or a solution that is in someone else's back yard.

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Uxb1 said:

KenUsername said:

This should have, and could have been sorted a long time ago by the people who’s job it is to run this country for its people.

Right so next time someone wants to put up a nuclear power station  we are not in the future going to get 10 years of planning disputes and obstructions as we got for Sizewell B are we?
10 YEARS - that's how long the dispute ran for!
These disputes were not led by the government of the day - they were instigated by various pressure groups who have been hell bent on destroying any possibility of energy sufficiency for the UK or were just anti everything.  Just think if they had all been told to get lost by the gov, the courts and the rest we could now have a series of nuclear generators to replace the old AGR stations.
These objectors are the people you need to blame for where we are today.
You can add in the general population who want nothing more than low prices TODAY along with ever rising wages,pensions,dividends etc and sod any investment in the future.

It's exactly the same as to old story of mending the faulty roof tiles while the sun shines, if you continually put it off as its too expensive then eventually it fails totally and then it becomes REALLY expensive to have a new roof.

Spot on.  Too many people want cheap, reliable electricity 24 hours a day, but don't want the visual blight of windfarms, don't want to live near a power station, don't want pylons, don't want roadworks to lay cables, etc, etc.  They're looking for a magical solution that doesn't exist, or a solution that is in someone else's back yard.

I don’t want cheap electricity, I want affordable electricity.

Also, yes I understand insulation helps with cooling as well as heating, but it’s no where near good enough when it’s 28 degrees out side or higher, that’s where air conditioning gets switched on and more electricity is used..

Insulation doesn't help with cooling buildings, but it helps keep buildings cool.  It's an important difference.  The problem with air conditioning is that it cools an already warm space, when it's better not to let it get too warm to start with.  That's where insulation comes in.

There is absolutely no need to turn on air conditioning at 28C external temperature.  It's an expensive luxury that keeps us comfortable, but what did we do years ago when aircon didn't exist yet temperatures reached 28C+ most summers?

KenUsername

Yes, your right, and I can honestly say I’d never buy or use air conditioning, but it’s industries like office space and retail that want and need to keep people cool and happy and insulting isn’t going to make that happen.

It was a point I was making, as I read online on the BBC website that it was one of the reasons for the increase in energy costs as industries needed air con, and wind farms didn’t produce enough energy due to low winds during the summer so they needed electricity from other less green producers.

Aylesbury_Duck

KenUsername said:

Yes, your right, and I can honestly say I’d never buy or use air conditioning, but it’s industries like office space and retail that want and need to keep people cool and happy and insulting isn’t going to make that happen.

It was a point I was making, as I read online on the BBC website that it was one of the reasons for the increase in energy costs as industries needed air con, and wind farms didn’t produce enough energy due to low winds during the summer so they needed electricity from other less green producers.

Oh I don't know - swearing and being rude to them might be a viable tactic 

It's a vicious cycle, isn't it.  Summer peak temperatures are slowly creeping up, and mean summer temperatures are on the rise.  Which means more air conditioning, more emissions, and round and round we go...

sam1974_2

hubb said:

I live in a single cavity house built in 1883. You can't insulate that I'm afraid.

Ours is 1850’s and we had external wall insulation 

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Aylesbury_Duck said:

It might not be a popular view, but with all the news about the very real effects of climate change, and what will happen as we race towards more global warming, isn't it right that a finite resource of something that is doing incredible long-term damage, is expensive?   We need to find more energy-efficient ways of living.  It will be painful, but what's the alternative?  Cheap energy for all, and leave it for someone else to deal with the consequences?

Or we could bin the green garbage and use cheaper fuels that we have in abundance. There are plenty of respected scientists who say "climate change" is not man made in the slightest and there's nothing we can do about it. You just don't hear about them because it doesn't suit the agenda. The green lobbies are extremely powerful and there is a lot of money to be made in various sectors by people and governments who push the green agenda..

Instead of wasting money on expensive electric cars, that money could be spent on insulating homes, something that would directly benefit everyone. 
We could be investing in nuclear energy, instead of wind farms. 

It would be great to find more energy efficient ways of living, but I don't think the current green agenda is the right way to go. 

Jakbo

Aylesbury_Duck said:

It might not be a popular view, but with all the news about the very real effects of climate change, and what will happen as we race towards more global warming, isn't it right that a finite resource of something that is doing incredible long-term damage, is expensive?   We need to find more energy-efficient ways of living.  It will be painful, but what's the alternative?  Cheap energy for all, and leave it for someone else to deal with the consequences?

NO NO & NO