Problems with new neighbour over septic tank drainage pipe

WeAreGhosts

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

canaldumidi said:

I would contact your local Community Police Liaison Officer and after explaining what you've already been told by the police (exactly who?), ask him to visit them and warn them about their threats to commit criminal damage.

I would also contact Environmental Health again. OK, they've told you that currenly there is no problem with the pipe, but you now have evidence of a threat to cause environmental damage, as well as a threat to health caused by a failure of the sewage system. Hopefully they too would contact these idiots and warn them of the consequenes of following up their threat.

It's not the role of a PCSO to go warning people committing criminal offences. 

A threat has been made, so yes it is in their remit. We had the same thing, a PCSO warned my neighbours not to continue with their threats and intimidation or they'll be in more trouble. Early intervention does work ... and it's a lot less paperwork for the police so they're usually happy to do it!

A crime has already been committed so it's a matter for a police officer not a PCSO.

And pigs might fly.
A PCSO is usually a better bet because they have time to sit down and discuss the whole situation. Police officers ... or response officers, don't have the time nor want to do the paperwork for minor infringements such as these. A PCSO still has the same powers as a regular officer.
I've had criminal damage, harassment, intimidation, stalking and the only officer who has helped was a neighbourhood PCSO.

JFT1

So another update I contacted the police by email nothing happened yet. I contacted the environmental heath and was told it was a civil matter and if they did cut the pipe and it caused sewage to spill onto neighbouring properties I could be prosecuted because its my septic tank!!! Even tho I did not cause the problem. So have now filled in a form for the legal aid that comes with my house insurance to get involved. More to follow....

JFT1

The police came to the house. I explained the situation showed them the letter threatening to cut the pipe. They are going to see the new neighbours to warn them they will be prosecuted for criminal damage if they touch the pipe. They will contact me when they have spoken to them. BIG RELIEF.

Bendy_House

Hats off to the police in your area The beauty of this is that it should nail the issue right down and prevent it from escalating.

The only Q now is, just how magnanimous are you going to be

Super-kudos to you if you can be. And, actually, far more grating on them...

Keep reminding yourself - you are the polar opposite to them. You can guess how they'd react should they have scored a win here. You do the opposite.

Diver2

JFT1 - better to possibly contact the Environment Agency re: the possibility of a sewage pollution event. I believe that will fall within their regulatory remit (and they do prosecute such events), as opposed to Environmental Health. I think they would be a lot more interested. 

DB1904

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

canaldumidi said:

I would contact your local Community Police Liaison Officer and after explaining what you've already been told by the police (exactly who?), ask him to visit them and warn them about their threats to commit criminal damage.

I would also contact Environmental Health again. OK, they've told you that currenly there is no problem with the pipe, but you now have evidence of a threat to cause environmental damage, as well as a threat to health caused by a failure of the sewage system. Hopefully they too would contact these idiots and warn them of the consequenes of following up their threat.

It's not the role of a PCSO to go warning people committing criminal offences. 

A threat has been made, so yes it is in their remit. We had the same thing, a PCSO warned my neighbours not to continue with their threats and intimidation or they'll be in more trouble. Early intervention does work ... and it's a lot less paperwork for the police so they're usually happy to do it!

A crime has already been committed so it's a matter for a police officer not a PCSO.

And pigs might fly.
A PCSO is usually a better bet because they have time to sit down and discuss the whole situation. Police officers ... or response officers, don't have the time nor want to do the paperwork for minor infringements such as these. A PCSO still has the same powers as a regular officer.
I've had criminal damage, harassment, intimidation, stalking and the only officer who has helped was a neighbourhood PCSO.

No they don't. 

JFT1

The police contacted me back and said they had asked the new neighbours to contact me through a solicitor rather than them writing to me. Also told them if any damage was done to the pipe they would investigate. Also told me to get a solicitor to act on my behalf. So waiting for the house insurance solicitor to contact me.

DB1904

JFT1 said:

The police contacted me back and said they had asked the new neighbours to contact me through a solicitor rather than them writing to me. Also told them if any damage was done to the pipe they would investigate. Also told me to get a solicitor to act on my behalf. So waiting for the house insurance solicitor to contact me.

Sounds like they've turned a crime into a civil dispute. What are they doing about the threats?

littleboo

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

canaldumidi said:

I would contact your local Community Police Liaison Officer and after explaining what you've already been told by the police (exactly who?), ask him to visit them and warn them about their threats to commit criminal damage.

I would also contact Environmental Health again. OK, they've told you that currenly there is no problem with the pipe, but you now have evidence of a threat to cause environmental damage, as well as a threat to health caused by a failure of the sewage system. Hopefully they too would contact these idiots and warn them of the consequenes of following up their threat.

It's not the role of a PCSO to go warning people committing criminal offences. 

A threat has been made, so yes it is in their remit. We had the same thing, a PCSO warned my neighbours not to continue with their threats and intimidation or they'll be in more trouble. Early intervention does work ... and it's a lot less paperwork for the police so they're usually happy to do it!

A crime has already been committed so it's a matter for a police officer not a PCSO.

And pigs might fly.
A PCSO is usually a better bet because they have time to sit down and discuss the whole situation. Police officers ... or response officers, don't have the time nor want to do the paperwork for minor infringements such as these. A PCSO still has the same powers as a regular officer.
I've had criminal damage, harassment, intimidation, stalking and the only officer who has helped was a neighbourhood PCSO.

No they don't. 

Indeed they don't. A PCSO (Police Community Support Officer) has very few powers, they are basically civilians in fancy dress intended to fool the public into thinking there are more police officers than there really are.

DB1904

littleboo said:

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

WeAreGhosts said:

DB1904 said:

canaldumidi said:

I would contact your local Community Police Liaison Officer and after explaining what you've already been told by the police (exactly who?), ask him to visit them and warn them about their threats to commit criminal damage.

I would also contact Environmental Health again. OK, they've told you that currenly there is no problem with the pipe, but you now have evidence of a threat to cause environmental damage, as well as a threat to health caused by a failure of the sewage system. Hopefully they too would contact these idiots and warn them of the consequenes of following up their threat.

It's not the role of a PCSO to go warning people committing criminal offences. 

A threat has been made, so yes it is in their remit. We had the same thing, a PCSO warned my neighbours not to continue with their threats and intimidation or they'll be in more trouble. Early intervention does work ... and it's a lot less paperwork for the police so they're usually happy to do it!

A crime has already been committed so it's a matter for a police officer not a PCSO.

And pigs might fly.
A PCSO is usually a better bet because they have time to sit down and discuss the whole situation. Police officers ... or response officers, don't have the time nor want to do the paperwork for minor infringements such as these. A PCSO still has the same powers as a regular officer.
I've had criminal damage, harassment, intimidation, stalking and the only officer who has helped was a neighbourhood PCSO.

No they don't. 

Indeed they don't. A PCSO (Police Community Support Officer) has very few powers, they are basically civilians in fancy dress intended to fool the public into thinking there are more police officers than there really are.

Well they managed to fool WeAreGhosts.