Buying a property that’s occupied with tenants

Slithery

Deleted User said:

macman said:

steve866 said:

I find it interesting that on this thread and others on here, everyone assumes that all tenants reactions to being asked to move out will be met with refusal and it dragging out for a long time. Is this really the case in general? In my circle of friends none of us would have stayed for months on end if a landlord wanted to sell, we would all have moved out in a reasonable timeframe, is this unique?

It would totally depend on how easily the tenants can find suitable alternative accomodation. The tenant is entitled to stay as long as the tenancy laws allow if they wish to: a LL cannot evict, only a court can.

I’ve seen a few people say this and I’m intrigued as to why that is as surely they have a contract which states that the landlord can supply them with an eviction notice based on an agreed duration? 

I’ve rented a few times in the past and my contract has always stated the landlord can evict me with XYZ notice and no reason.

The landlord can of course serve a S21 notice, but this isn't an 'eviction' it simply means that after the expiry date the LL can now apply to the courts for a possession order. Seeing as how the courts have been closed for the last 2 years there is now a massive backlog to work through, any LL serving valid notice now is unlikely to get an eviction order from the courts before late 2023 at the earliest.
Remember, a landlord is legally never allowed to end a tenancy. The only 2 parties that can do so are the tenant(s) or the court.

EndlessStruggle

74jax said:

badger09 said:

74jax said:

EndlessStruggle said:

Okay so the tenants are now the least of my problems as the house next door which is almost identical (a few modifications and extra land) is up for sale for 70k more than my accepted offer

Is the house exactly the same?  Same layout, decorated the same (tenanted is usually basic), same size, does it have sitting tenants, etc etc.  Can you provide links to both? 

If you want to wait till next year (time for them to look, view, offer etc) go ahead. If not pull out. Don't spend any money at all until the tenants have started to pay money for searches. 

Why didn't they offer on the house they are renting? 

Why do you think tenants are buying the house next door?

I don't? I don't think they have found anywhere yet. 

Sorry OP I've hijacked your thread  just a bit.

I'm going to speak with my solicitor on Monday and then speak to the estate agent and decide what to do.

I haven't seen anything else yet I like since looking from May but I'll have a think about next door over the weekend.

It's over what I ideally wanted to spend but not over what I can borrow and my deposit would cover that one too as I have a 25% deposit on the current house. 

badger09

74jax said:

badger09 said:

74jax said:

EndlessStruggle said:

Okay so the tenants are now the least of my problems as the house next door which is almost identical (a few modifications and extra land) is up for sale for 70k more than my accepted offer

Is the house exactly the same?  Same layout, decorated the same (tenanted is usually basic), same size, does it have sitting tenants, etc etc.  Can you provide links to both? 

If you want to wait till next year (time for them to look, view, offer etc) go ahead. If not pull out. Don't spend any money at all until the tenants have started to pay money for searches. 

Why didn't they offer on the house they are renting? 

Why do you think tenants are buying the house next door?

I don't? I don't think they have found anywhere yet. 

Sorry, I misread your earlier post

74jax

I'm confused it's OK. 

Are endless struggle (post on page 3) and op the same?  

MaryNB

74jax said:

I'm confused it's OK. 

Are endless struggle (post on page 3) and op the same?  

No, but it confused me at first as well.

EndlessStruggle said:

I'm in the same boat as I've offered on a house with tenants in.

EndlessStruggle said:

74jax said:

badger09 said:

74jax said:

EndlessStruggle said:

Okay so the tenants are now the least of my problems as the house next door which is almost identical (a few modifications and extra land) is up for sale for 70k more than my accepted offer

Is the house exactly the same?  Same layout, decorated the same (tenanted is usually basic), same size, does it have sitting tenants, etc etc.  Can you provide links to both? 

If you want to wait till next year (time for them to look, view, offer etc) go ahead. If not pull out. Don't spend any money at all until the tenants have started to pay money for searches. 

Why didn't they offer on the house they are renting? 

Why do you think tenants are buying the house next door?

I don't? I don't think they have found anywhere yet. 

Sorry OP I've hijacked your thread  just a bit.

robatwork

steve866 said:

I find it interesting that on this thread and others on here, everyone assumes that all tenants reactions to being asked to move out will be met with refusal and it dragging out for a long time. Is this really the case in general? In my circle of friends none of us would have stayed for months on end if a landlord wanted to sell, we would all have moved out in a reasonable timeframe, is this unique?

Put down, in numbers, what you think the proportion of scummy people are in this country compared to decent people.

Then we'll get an idea based on that of how likely it is they will move out as agreed/clean as opposed to stay until the bailiffs come/rip the boiler off the wall.

lookstraightahead

robatwork said:

steve866 said:

I find it interesting that on this thread and others on here, everyone assumes that all tenants reactions to being asked to move out will be met with refusal and it dragging out for a long time. Is this really the case in general? In my circle of friends none of us would have stayed for months on end if a landlord wanted to sell, we would all have moved out in a reasonable timeframe, is this unique?

Put down, in numbers, what you think the proportion of scummy people are in this country compared to decent people.

Then we'll get an idea based on that of how likely it is they will move out as agreed/clean as opposed to stay until the bailiffs come/rip the boiler off the wall.

Yes but the question was regarding tenants? So if you're saying 'scummy people' I presume you're also including owner occupiers. 

canaldumidi

lookstraightahead said:

robatwork said:

steve866 said:

I find it interesting that on this thread and others on here, everyone assumes that all tenants reactions to being asked to move out will be met with refusal and it dragging out for a long time. Is this really the case in general? In my circle of friends none of us would have stayed for months on end if a landlord wanted to sell, we would all have moved out in a reasonable timeframe, is this unique?

Put down, in numbers, what you think the proportion of scummy people are in this country compared to decent people.

Then we'll get an idea based on that of how likely it is they will move out as agreed/clean as opposed to stay until the bailiffs come/rip the boiler off the wall.

Yes but the question was regarding tenants? So if you're saying 'scummy people' I presume you're also including owner occupiers. 

I think robatwork was suggesting that there's no difference between the proportion of scummy people in the population as a whole, and the proportion of scummy tenants.

So if 10% of the general population are scummy, there's a 10% chance the tenants will rip the boiler off the wall......

lookstraightahead

canaldumidi said:

lookstraightahead said:

robatwork said:

steve866 said:

I find it interesting that on this thread and others on here, everyone assumes that all tenants reactions to being asked to move out will be met with refusal and it dragging out for a long time. Is this really the case in general? In my circle of friends none of us would have stayed for months on end if a landlord wanted to sell, we would all have moved out in a reasonable timeframe, is this unique?

Put down, in numbers, what you think the proportion of scummy people are in this country compared to decent people.

Then we'll get an idea based on that of how likely it is they will move out as agreed/clean as opposed to stay until the bailiffs come/rip the boiler off the wall.

Yes but the question was regarding tenants? So if you're saying 'scummy people' I presume you're also including owner occupiers. 

I think robatwork was suggesting that there's no difference between the proportion of scummy people in the population as a whole, and the proportion of scummy tenants.

So if 10% of the general population are scummy, there's a 10% chance the tenants will rip the boiler off the wall......

Fair enough, I hope that was their point, which means that whether home owner or tenant there's no extra risk.

robatwork

canaldumidi said:

I think robatwork was suggesting that there's no difference between the proportion of scummy people in the population as a whole, and the proportion of scummy tenants.

So if 10% of the general population are scummy, there's a 10% chance the tenants will rip the boiler off the wall......

Yep this - sadly I'd put the percentage higher. I'm not differentiating between tenants and landlords, just there is a decent likelihood of the OP having big problems with sitting tenants.