Location of Openreach external plastic cover

MaxterMind

JenB79 said:

MaxterMind said:

JenB79 said:

No, Openreach also use underground ducts for fibre like they have done for my install. In my case the fibre comes up in black/yellow tubing to the CSP. Then white cabling goes down from CSP to ONT. 

So in this case, presumably the underground ducting had already been pre-installed under the public footpath/road at some point and it's just a matter of connecting up to the house.

I guess it won't be available in all residential areas (I'm not out in the country). It would certainly be nicer than connecting to a telegraph post since it would avoid ugly cabling down the outside of the house.

For my install Openreach used existing u/g ducts which houses copper cabling. No digging at all was involved. 

Thanks. Pre-existing copper cabling here to local houses is connected via telegraph poles at the back of the houses. With this being the case, the external plastic box would need to be on the back of the house if they connected to the same post(s) and consequently the external box on the wall would only be accessible to engineers at a later date if pre-arranged as they would need to gain access to the back yard. Hence my original question.

But, from this thread, it would appear that this wouldn't be an issue in itself if they had to connect to the back of the house.

JenB79

matelodave said:

Dunno what they do now for overhead connections, but mine comes straight from the distribution point on the pole across the road and directly into the house without an external splice point. It's then fiited with a field termination connector straight into the the ONT

From 2017 to 2019/2020 Openreach mostly ditched the blown fibre install method (like mine was) and instead began using all-in-one pre-made fibre cables from the DP (overhead or u/g) to the ONT, therefore no external CSP was required - this is known as a connectorized install. In the last 2 years (or so), Openreach have gone back to installing an external CSP but the CSP now houses a simple junction box where 2 connectorized cables are plugged in together. In my CSP above, 2 fibre strands were spliced to each other using a splicer.

iniltous

MaxterMind said:

When Openreach is connected to a property, an external plastic "cover" is located on the external wall and the Openreach fibre cable connected to this and into the property. I believe this allows telecoms engineers the potential to work via the external plastic section meaning they do not have to gain entry to the property at a later date.

With this being the case, does this mean, if the possibility existed, that the external Openreach plastic cover could/would not (for example) be connected to the back of a terraced house with an enclosed back yard with a publicly accessible alley outside this, since telecoms engineers would consequently need to be provided with access to the back yard by the householder if they needed to work at the external Openreach cover later on?

Thanks.

The position of where the Openreach will attach to the building is pretty much determined by where the cable is ran from, in the case of overhead, if the telegraph pole is at the front of a property then the drop cable ( fibre or copper ) will attach to the front of the property , if the telegraph pole is at the rear , then the cable attaches to the rear , if access to back yard is required for this work , then access would need to be made available on the install date, or if it’s in regard to a fault report , then on the day the engineer is due to visit.
Access to OR equipment isn’t required  once a service is in and working , OR won’t need to visit again unless it becomes faulty and the customer reports the issue and is given a date the engineer will visit

MaxterMind

iniltous said:

MaxterMind said:

When Openreach is connected to a property, an external plastic "cover" is located on the external wall and the Openreach fibre cable connected to this and into the property. I believe this allows telecoms engineers the potential to work via the external plastic section meaning they do not have to gain entry to the property at a later date.

With this being the case, does this mean, if the possibility existed, that the external Openreach plastic cover could/would not (for example) be connected to the back of a terraced house with an enclosed back yard with a publicly accessible alley outside this, since telecoms engineers would consequently need to be provided with access to the back yard by the householder if they needed to work at the external Openreach cover later on?

Thanks.

The position of where the Openreach will attach to the building is pretty much determined by where the cable is ran from, in the case of overhead, if the telegraph pole is at the front of a property then the drop cable ( fibre or copper ) will attach to the front of the property , if the telegraph pole is at the rear , then the cable attaches to the rear , if access to back yard is required for this work , then access would need to be made available on the install date, or if it’s in regard to a fault report , then on the day the engineer is due to visit.
Access to OR equipment isn’t required  once a service is in and working , OR won’t need to visit again unless it becomes faulty and the customer reports the issue and is given a date the engineer will visit

Thanks for this.

JenB79

MaxterMind said:

JenB79 said:

MaxterMind said:

JenB79 said:

No, Openreach also use underground ducts for fibre like they have done for my install. In my case the fibre comes up in black/yellow tubing to the CSP. Then white cabling goes down from CSP to ONT. 

So in this case, presumably the underground ducting had already been pre-installed under the public footpath/road at some point and it's just a matter of connecting up to the house.

I guess it won't be available in all residential areas (I'm not out in the country). It would certainly be nicer than connecting to a telegraph post since it would avoid ugly cabling down the outside of the house.

For my install Openreach used existing u/g ducts which houses copper cabling. No digging at all was involved. 

Thanks. Pre-existing copper cabling here to local houses is connected via telegraph poles at the back of the houses. With this being the case, the external plastic box would need to be on the back of the house if they connected to the same post(s) and consequently the external box on the wall would only be accessible to engineers at a later date if pre-arranged as they would need to gain access to the back yard. Hence my original question.

But, from this thread, it would appear that this wouldn't be an issue in itself if they had to connect to the back of the house.

Your fibre cable will almost certainly follow the same route to your home as your existing copper cabling. Openreach may even decide to replace your copper with a  fibre+copper combined cable from the overhead CBT/DP, though I think they only do that if there's not enough space for a standalone fibre cable.

matelodave

My mate and my daughter have had FTTP installed in their areas in the last 6-9 months and both of them (although in different towns) have pole mount pre-connectorised overhead cabling (as shown in the piccies above), So I'd guess that if you've got overhead now then that's what you'll get.

Go an have a look at your poles to see if they look like the ones shown

MaxterMind

Does this look like it's been updated for FTTP? It doesn't look as "elaborate" as the previously posted photo.

JenB79

Difficult to tell from the photo but TBH I wouldn't stress too much about the install. On the day of the survey/install you can voice your concerns to the engineer and I'm sure they'll try to accommodate your requests where possible. My install was FTTPoD rather than native FTTP, nevertheless I found Openreach staff to be very flexible and cooperative. 

neilmcl

MaxterMind said:

Does this look like it's been updated for FTTP? It doesn't look as "elaborate" as the previously posted photo.

By the looks of it, no it hasn't.

MaxterMind

Thanks for that.

As an aside: I'm aware that from the internal Openreach socket there are usually two short cables (perhaps ~50cm) which connect directly between this and the router.

If I wanted to position the router elsewhere in the house, presumably there's no reason why I couldn't get longer versions of these two cables and connect the router to the internal Openreach socket despite these being in two different rooms?