E10 petrol

Jenni_D

It seems you read the post, even quoted it, but failed to understand it.  

TT93

Quote from the Government website: "E10 petrol – which is blended with up to 10% renewable ethanol and made up of materials such as low-grade grains, sugars and waste wood, making it greener than existing petrol – could cut transport CO2 emissions by 750,000 tonnes per year, which is the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off of UK roads.'

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

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TT93 said:

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

It is quite difficult to find out, but I think that e10 will produce a teenie weenie weenie bit less CO2 per mile driven, the main advantage of e10 is that the ethanol contribution to the CO2 is recycled from the current atmosphere by plants, so it is special clean environmentally friendly CO2, rather than CO2 from millions of years ago.

It might make a slight difference for a borderline vehicle when they test new ones, but it isn't going to affect current vehicles as they have already been tested.

lordmountararat

I can't understand what all the fuss is about. I was driving cars using petrol with 10% ethanol 25 years ago in California. My son had a 1973 MGB at the time and it was little trouble to replace the parts that might have been affected. 

AdrianC

TT93 said:

Quote from the Government website: "E10 petrol – which is blended with up to 10% renewable ethanol and made up of materials such as low-grade grains, sugars and waste wood, making it greener than existing petrol – could cut transport CO2 emissions by 750,000 tonnes per year, which is the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off of UK roads.'

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Organic chemistry's not your strong point, is it?

Long-term vs short-term carbon cycle. The amount of CO2 is the same.

Laurence_Harvey

AdrianC said:

TT93 said:

Quote from the Government website: "E10 petrol – which is blended with up to 10% renewable ethanol and made up of materials such as low-grade grains, sugars and waste wood, making it greener than existing petrol – could cut transport CO2 emissions by 750,000 tonnes per year, which is the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off of UK roads.'

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Organic chemistry's not your strong point, is it?

Long-term vs short-term carbon cycle. The amount of CO2 is the same.

What a nasty and sneering reply to a reasonable question from TT93, a forum newcomer. Utterly charmless.

AdrianC

Laurence_Harvey said:

AdrianC said:

TT93 said:

Quote from the Government website: "E10 petrol – which is blended with up to 10% renewable ethanol and made up of materials such as low-grade grains, sugars and waste wood, making it greener than existing petrol – could cut transport CO2 emissions by 750,000 tonnes per year, which is the equivalent of taking 350,000 cars off of UK roads.'

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Organic chemistry's not your strong point, is it?

Long-term vs short-term carbon cycle. The amount of CO2 is the same.

What a nasty and sneering reply to a reasonable question from TT93, a forum newcomer. Utterly charmless

That was certainly not the way it was intended to read, and my apologies go to TT93 if they took it as such.

This is page 5 of the latest of many interminable E10 threads, all going round in the same circles, with the same old arguments about why it's such a terrible thing to use less fossil fuel.

The only difference between E5 and E10 is that 5% of the hydrocarbons come from renewable sources, not fossil sources. It's that simple.

The government are being mildly disingenuous by saying it reduces CO2 emissions - it doesn't. It has the same effect on climate change as reducing it, however, because of the differences between short and long-term carbon cycles.

The UK is monumentally late bringing E10 to the market. The US has been using it for decades, it's been available in other European countries for a decade or more, and is either the majority or the only petrol available in several other European countries.

born_again

TT93 said:

As the UK phase out E5 petrol in favour of E10 petrol, which contributes less carbon emissions with the increased proportion of Ethanol, surely this should lower the carbon output of vehicles and thus recategorise cars in the Vehicle Tax bands? 

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Welcome.

And give them chance to re arange all the bands, and increase costs to many drivers who were lucky enough to be in Zero or £30 VED brackets.

We do not want the Government to start a trend and change historic VED bands/charges. They rip us off enough 👀

You would never see a decrease, only a increase while they try to force you to EV's & then they will hit them.

ElefantEd

You could argue it reduces net CO2 emissions as some of the CO2 is recycled back into the growing plants.

However the relative contribution  of all the cars remains the same so I don't see any justification for recategorising them. It's not as if VED actually goes towards combating climate change anyway.

twopenny

I don't appreciate all the arguments on here - came to get some useful information.

I have a Ford Fiesta built end 1999.

When I went to the Gov website I got a different answer to the one I got a few weeks ago and was hoping to get some sensible help. Not having any info made public with this change over plus all the other major overhauls for phone, internet and stuff that people have used Covid for and being totally out of touch with anyone for months because of same I have no idea which is the right answer.

Previously the Gov website said I was just in the 'OK bracket' and now it says I'm well within the age bracket.