Does a car park have to display that you could be fined/amount of fine?

Car_54

Iceweasel said:

DMccoy said:

None of these additional questions are relevant or affect the answer to my question.

 All the information is in my first post but I’ll gladly try again, more simply.

 My local train station has introduced a new parking system. New signs have appeared explaining how to pay for parking but there is no mention of any consequences for not paying.

I often hear how signage in a car park needs to be sufficient and easy to read. If the signage doesn’t mention a fine/amount of fine, can the owner of the car park issue a fine and that’s fine be lawful/enforceable if contested?

Only councils, police and courts can issue a FINE.

No, only courts. Police and councils issue penalties.

Car_54

GrumpyDil said:

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

As several posters have already pointed out, this station car park is likely to be subject to railway bylaws, not contract law.

DMccoy

[Deleted User] said:

GrumpyDil said:

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

As several posters have already pointed out, this station car park is likely to be subject to railway bylaws, not contract law.

Surely all the more reason to make clear what the penalty is? If it’s covered by byelaws that a lot of people (myself included) were not aware even existed, this information should be even more clear.

DB1904

DMccoy said:

[Deleted User] said:

GrumpyDil said:

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

As several posters have already pointed out, this station car park is likely to be subject to railway bylaws, not contract law.

Surely all the more reason to make clear what the penalty is? If it’s covered by byelaws that a lot of people (myself included) were not aware even existed, this information should be even more clear.

Why? They don't advertise the penalties for motoring offences and you join the motorway. 

Car_54

DMccoy said:

[Deleted User] said:

GrumpyDil said:

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

As several posters have already pointed out, this station car park is likely to be subject to railway bylaws, not contract law.

Surely all the more reason to make clear what the penalty is? If it’s covered by byelaws that a lot of people (myself included) were not aware even existed, this information should be even more clear.

How do you normally decide whether to break the law? Does it depend upon the likely penalty?

DMccoy

[Deleted User] said:

DMccoy said:

[Deleted User] said:

GrumpyDil said:

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

As several posters have already pointed out, this station car park is likely to be subject to railway bylaws, not contract law.

Surely all the more reason to make clear what the penalty is? If it’s covered by byelaws that a lot of people (myself included) were not aware even existed, this information should be even more clear.

How do you normally decide whether to break the law? Does it depend upon the likely penalty?

Of course.  Before they installed ANPR I wouldn’t pay as the chances of getting a £30 penalty wasn’t enough of a deterrent considering it’s £6 per day to park.