Does a car park have to display that you could be fined/amount of fine?

DMccoy

None of these additional questions are relevant or affect the answer to my question.

 All the information is in my first post but I’ll gladly try again, more simply.

 My local train station has introduced a new parking system. New signs have appeared explaining how to pay for parking but there is no mention of any consequences for not paying.

I often hear how signage in a car park needs to be sufficient and easy to read. If the signage doesn’t mention a fine/amount of fine, can the owner of the car park issue a fine and that’s fine be lawful/enforceable if contested?

KeithP

DMccoy said:

None of these additional questions are relevant or affect the answer to my question.

 All the information is in my first post but I’ll gladly try again, more simply.

 My local train station has introduced a new parking system. New signs have appeared explaining how to pay for parking but there is no mention of any consequences for not paying.

I often hear how signage in a car park needs to be sufficient and easy to read. If the signage doesn’t mention a fine/amount of fine, can the owner of the car park issue a fine and that’s fine be lawful/enforceable if contested?

Which bit of my earlier answer are you having difficulty with?...

KeithP said:

And the simple answer to your question is - no.

Several people now have suggested your queries would be better placed on the Parking Board.

Jenni_D

It seems that the OP isn't interested in getting actual help with the issue. Perhaps they haven't actually received a PCN and are wondering on a theoretical basis?

Either way, I'm out.

Iceweasel

DMccoy said:

None of these additional questions are relevant or affect the answer to my question.

 All the information is in my first post but I’ll gladly try again, more simply.

 My local train station has introduced a new parking system. New signs have appeared explaining how to pay for parking but there is no mention of any consequences for not paying.

I often hear how signage in a car park needs to be sufficient and easy to read. If the signage doesn’t mention a fine/amount of fine, can the owner of the car park issue a fine and that’s fine be lawful/enforceable if contested?

The answer is still NO.

You should stop using the word FINE

Only councils, police and courts can issue a FINE.

I think you are really asking about the owner sending an invoice / charge for breaking their arbitrary 'rules'.

DMccoy

Jenni_D said:

It seems that the OP isn't interested in getting actual help with the issue. Perhaps they haven't actually received a PCN and are wondering on a theoretical basis?

Either way, I'm out.

I haven’t received a PCN and at no time suggested I had, which is why your questions about the amount of the penalty, who has issued the penalty etc. had no relevance - as I explained.

scrappy_returns

It's a flat no.

DMccoy

scrappy_returns said:

It's a flat no.

No they can’t enforce a penalty?  Or no they don’t have to display the information regarding a penalty?

scrappy_returns

DMccoy said:

scrappy_returns said:

It's a flat no.

No they can’t enforce a penalty?  Or no they don’t have to display the information regarding a penalty?

The original question was: 
So could they still enforce a fine?
The simple answer is: no.
The long drawn out answer is: they can't but they still might try (probably will, its in their interest to try) and there's a bunch of hoops for both parties to jump through meaning time and hassle (some people will just accept and pay, this is the parking companies revenue stream).

GrumpyDil

If there is no mention on any signage as to what the relevant invoice amount would be in that scenario they would have a very hard time to argue you had agreed to pay it.

So simple answer is as such cases are based on contract law any claim would immediately fail due to uncertainty over the alleged contract terms.

Alternative answer it would be interesting watching them try. 

MalMonroe

DMccoy said:

scrappy_returns said:

It's a flat no.

No they can’t enforce a penalty?  Or no they don’t have to display the information regarding a penalty?

They cannot enforce a penalty if no penalty is displayed.

I once had a similar payment demand dismissed because although the signage did display a penalty, the print wasn't large enough to be seen from all areas of the car park. I just had to submit photos of the signage to prove my point. The parking company did not agree with me but POPLA did.