Does red light camera has a delay?

Jenni_D

Deleted_User said:

ontheroad1970 said:

Username03725 said:

I'd send your licence back and swap it for a provisional if I were you then take another course of lessons, then if you do squeak through another test immediately sign up for a Pass Plus or similar extended and additional driving course that teaches more than just the absolute basics that get you through the test.

The excuses for not using mirrors (too difficult!!!) and trying to race an amber light when you had enough time to assimilate the road conditions as potentially too wet to stop, suggests that you aren't actually up to the required standard.

And honestly, the word is brake. A car has brakes, when you hit the brakes you are braking, as you know full well from reading the Highway Code section on Braking Distances. When a car breaks, it needs fixing. If you're breaking, see a medical professional.

Someone needs to take a chill pill, I think.  Piling on, combined with pedantry.  You clearly understood what the OP meant, so your understanding has not been disadvantaged one iota.  

We all bow down at your feet for your perfect driving standards.  As that is what they are, are they not?  Otherwise you wouldn't be preaching quite so loudly.

OP:  Do try and get more training to be more confident and proficient.  Ask a friend or relative to give you a view on your driving, and on your ability to anticipate.  There are online resources around also if you search for them.  You will get better the more you learn.  Take it steady, and keep glancing at your mirrors - all of them little and often.

Pedantry or not, OP could kill someone or themselves due to their bad driving, would you be so keen to defend them if they sped up to go through on amber due to poor driving and they slammed into someone you know?

The points had already been made several times, but in not such a harsh and (possibly) abusive manner; and the OP had already taken those points on board. @Username03725's post was unnecessary.

Username03725

ontheroad1970 said:

Someone needs to take a chill pill, I think.  Piling on, combined with pedantry.  You clearly understood what the OP meant, so your understanding has not been disadvantaged one iota.  

We all bow down at your feet for your perfect driving standards.  As that is what they are, are they not?  Otherwise you wouldn't be preaching quite so loudly.

OP:  Do try and get more training to be more confident and proficient.  Ask a friend or relative to give you a view on your driving, and on your ability to anticipate.  There are online resources around also if you search for them.  You will get better the more you learn.  Take it steady, and keep glancing at your mirrors - all of them little and often.

Oh dear. Pointing out the truth - that someone just isn't up to it - can only be done by someone who's perfect? Dear me. I'm not perfect, but was taught the importance of thinking about my driving and improving by being aware. Maybe I'm awful, maybe I'm ok but I don't hog middle lanes, am careful to indicate correctly, use roundabouts correctly, am courteous to other road users etc etc. Your silly reasoning sounds like the default riposte to tutting at people who drive too slowly; that it's only a problem because I must want to do 100mph everywhere. Tosh.

As for pedantry, there's nothing wrong with flagging it up. It goes a little way towards raising the standards, not simply accepting that it's wrong but there's nothing anyone can do about it.

ontheroad1970

Username03725 said:

ontheroad1970 said:

Someone needs to take a chill pill, I think.  Piling on, combined with pedantry.  You clearly understood what the OP meant, so your understanding has not been disadvantaged one iota.  

We all bow down at your feet for your perfect driving standards.  As that is what they are, are they not?  Otherwise you wouldn't be preaching quite so loudly.

OP:  Do try and get more training to be more confident and proficient.  Ask a friend or relative to give you a view on your driving, and on your ability to anticipate.  There are online resources around also if you search for them.  You will get better the more you learn.  Take it steady, and keep glancing at your mirrors - all of them little and often.

Oh dear. Pointing out the truth - that someone just isn't up to it - can only be done by someone who's perfect? Dear me. I'm not perfect, but was taught the importance of thinking about my driving and improving by being aware. Maybe I'm awful, maybe I'm ok but I don't hog middle lanes, am careful to indicate correctly, use roundabouts correctly, am courteous to other road users etc etc. Your silly reasoning sounds like the default riposte to tutting at people who drive too slowly; that it's only a problem because I must want to do 100mph everywhere. Tosh.

As for pedantry, there's nothing wrong with flagging it up. It goes a little way towards raising the standards, not simply accepting that it's wrong but there's nothing anyone can do about it.

My point was the same as Jenni's above.  The point has been made several times before.  You're just piling in, which could be seen to be a form of bullying.  

As for pedantry it just makes people roll their eyes.  It hasn't harmed your understanding, not one whit.  So only someone being overly officious would bring it up.

ontheroad1970

Deleted_User said:

ontheroad1970 said:

Username03725 said:

I'd send your licence back and swap it for a provisional if I were you then take another course of lessons, then if you do squeak through another test immediately sign up for a Pass Plus or similar extended and additional driving course that teaches more than just the absolute basics that get you through the test.

The excuses for not using mirrors (too difficult!!!) and trying to race an amber light when you had enough time to assimilate the road conditions as potentially too wet to stop, suggests that you aren't actually up to the required standard.

And honestly, the word is brake. A car has brakes, when you hit the brakes you are braking, as you know full well from reading the Highway Code section on Braking Distances. When a car breaks, it needs fixing. If you're breaking, see a medical professional.

Someone needs to take a chill pill, I think.  Piling on, combined with pedantry.  You clearly understood what the OP meant, so your understanding has not been disadvantaged one iota.  

We all bow down at your feet for your perfect driving standards.  As that is what they are, are they not?  Otherwise you wouldn't be preaching quite so loudly.

OP:  Do try and get more training to be more confident and proficient.  Ask a friend or relative to give you a view on your driving, and on your ability to anticipate.  There are online resources around also if you search for them.  You will get better the more you learn.  Take it steady, and keep glancing at your mirrors - all of them little and often.

Pedantry or not, OP could kill someone or themselves due to their bad driving, would you be so keen to defend them if they sped up to go through on amber due to poor driving and they slammed into someone you know?

You can either encourage the OP to learn something or you can choose to join in the gang of people with pitchforks and torches.  The OP has their licence and your ranting won't do anything to stop that.  In fact, everybody piling in with rants could have the opposite effect.  So why not encourage the OP to learn from their errors rather than simply join in th pitchfork waving?  

lisyloo

I would recommend having a look for a local ROSPA or IAM group.
If money is a concern then ROSPA are a good choice.
They pair you up with a volunteer and you contribute towards their petrol.
ROSPA are better cost wise if that's a concern because you pay less up front and don't need to take a test to get the benefit of the sessions.
But either would be a worthwhile investment if they save a single accident.
You can also get a discount on your insurance once you pass a test (and that is a very good indicator of less accidents as insurance companies don't give discounts for no reason).
They are charities and they don't put a limit on how many sessions you have.

Ermia

Username03725 said:

And honestly, the word is brake. A car has brakes, when you hit the brakes you are braking, as you know full well from reading the Highway Code section on Braking Distances. When a car breaks, it needs fixing. If you're breaking, see a medical professional.

I appreciate that you value road safety, and thanks for the spell checking. I get your points. Nonetheless, I don't find your approach constructive for anything that involves human beings. If you were my driving instructor, I would have quit driving. And if you were my teacher, I would have preferred to be illiterate rather than being ashamed and humiliated.

lisyloo said:

I would recommend having a look for a local ROSPA or IAM group.
If money is a concern then ROSPA are a good choice.
They pair you up with a volunteer and you contribute towards their petrol.
ROSPA are better cost wise if that's a concern because you pay less up front and don't need to take a test to get the benefit of the sessions.
But either would be a worthwhile investment if they save a single accident.
You can also get a discount on your insurance once you pass a test (and that is a very good indicator of less accidents as insurance companies don't give discounts for no reason).
They are charities and they don't put a limit on how many sessions you have.

 

Great, I'll take a look at RoSPA. I hope it's cheaper than having driving instructors so that I can practice longer for less cost.

I've been driving in another country for over a decade, and the system is somewhat different (e.g. almost all red lights have digital countdown timers, so I used to have plenty of thinking time). That's why perhaps some experienced and friendly guy from RoSPA who advises me for an extended period would be more helpful than spending some expensive hours with an instructor.

It would be superb if I could get some insurance discount for this, too.

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One thing that I don't think was mentioned:

Never accelerate to "beat the light". Red light cameras measure speed right up until they change over to enforcing the red light, precisely to catch people who speed up above the limit to get across.

Username03725

Ermia said:

Username03725 said:

And honestly, the word is brake. A car has brakes, when you hit the brakes you are braking, as you know full well from reading the Highway Code section on Braking Distances. When a car breaks, it needs fixing. If you're breaking, see a medical professional.

I appreciate that you value road safety, and thanks for the spell checking. I get your points. Nonetheless, I don't find your approach constructive for anything that involves human beings. If you were my driving instructor, I would have quit driving. And if you were my teacher, I would have preferred to be illiterate rather than being ashamed and humiliated.

lisyloo said:

I would recommend having a look for a local ROSPA or IAM group.
If money is a concern then ROSPA are a good choice.
They pair you up with a volunteer and you contribute towards their petrol.
ROSPA are better cost wise if that's a concern because you pay less up front and don't need to take a test to get the benefit of the sessions.
But either would be a worthwhile investment if they save a single accident.
You can also get a discount on your insurance once you pass a test (and that is a very good indicator of less accidents as insurance companies don't give discounts for no reason).
They are charities and they don't put a limit on how many sessions you have.

 

Great, I'll take a look at RoSPA. I hope it's cheaper than having driving instructors so that I can practice longer for less cost.

I've been driving in another country for over a decade, and the system is somewhat different (e.g. almost all red lights have digital countdown timers, so I used to have plenty of thinking time). That's why perhaps some experienced and friendly guy from RoSPA who advises me for an extended period would be more helpful than spending some expensive hours with an instructor.

It would be superb if I could get some insurance discount for this, too.

Ok, I'll bite. 

In all your posts you continually gave the absolute impression that you really don't grasp driving, that you think it's a set of fixed rules that involves how many seconds you need to stop and how you don't have time to look in your mirrors, and to be quite frank I found it a little bit exasperating that you displayed such little self-awareness to the point that I was quite annoyed at you. Add to that the continual use of break instead of brake and I was in a very dismissive mood of you when I wrote my response.

I expect you're expecting my apology to slide into view next - it's not. Driving isn't set of fixed numbers and actions that you do in sequence by rote because that's how you learnt, it's a fluid ever-changing situation that requires a driver to be fully aware of what's going on around him or her at all times and to know what the car is capable of at any given point, including whether it will actually stop in a random distance from a random speed. That's why AI and driverless cars are so difficult to get right. Everything you've written suggests that you really haven't grasped any of that, but as long as you were able to go through the actions in the correct order to obtain a licence you're happy to carry on driving. Your only concern in your first post was whether you may have been caught by a red light camera.

Fill your boots. You carry on, maybe you will get a ROSPA driver to critique you and you'll come out the other side enlightened. Luckily I don't tend to use the Brent area too often so my chances of encountering someone who drives by numbers and doesn't have time check the mirrors is unlikely to happen. Good luck.

AdrianC

Username03725 said:

Luckily I don't tend to use the Brent area too often so my chances of encountering someone who drives by numbers and doesn't have time check the mirrors is unlikely to happen. Good luck.

I wish the mindset you describe so well was rare.

ontheroad1970

AdrianC said:

Username03725 said:

Luckily I don't tend to use the Brent area too often so my chances of encountering someone who drives by numbers and doesn't have time check the mirrors is unlikely to happen. Good luck.

I wish the mindset you describe so well was rare.

The inability to use mirrors is not just amongst young or newly qualified drivers.  It's rife amongst all types of drivers.  

But in discussions like this I guess honey catches more flies than vinegar.