Is the stock market even real anymore?

Type_45

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

The government doesn’t choose which economists get on television, for one thing. Ours is often invited on, goes when he has something interesting to say, and isn’t either told what that view is by anyone or is asked what it is before he appears.

Nobody cares about economists.

grumiofoundation

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

Not exactly a small pool to choose from…

[Deleted User]

Since the gold standard was left, money hasn’t been real. 

Like any investment, only put in what you are prepared to lose. I put put £500 into crypto, the next day they all crashed, I am still down months later. Tough it was the risk I decided to take. But that’s why I only put in £500. If I had 100k I’d probably invest in property with the vision of it being long term, 10-20 years.

Type_45

I don't understand which money-making industry benefits from having economists as their "experts".

Man-made climate change is a massive industry. It needs experts to tell the public that we all need to give people in that industry money and power or the polar bear gets it and so do we.

Covid is an industry for similar reasons (and many of the same players, too). But the industry needs experts to keep it alive. 


Absolutely nobody, no industry, no scam, or anything like that exists where they need economists on TV to scare us into giving anyone money. 

GeordieGeorge

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

The government doesn’t choose which economists get on television, for one thing. Ours is often invited on, goes when he has something interesting to say, and isn’t either told what that view is by anyone or is asked what it is before he appears.

Nobody cares about economists.

But you were just complaining about 5ème being wheeled out to support the conspiracy.

That’s the problem with conspiracists, you change your story 180 degrees when presented with evidence that you were wrong, and just continue with the beliefs.You beliefs, it turns out, are nothing to do with the evidence.

sevenhills

Type_45 said:

I don't understand which money-making industry benefits from having economists as their "experts".

Covid is an industry for similar reasons (and many of the same players, too). But the industry needs experts to keep it alive. 

Absolutely nobody, no industry, no scam, or anything like that exists where they need economists on TV to scare us into giving anyone money.

There should have been my economists on TV during COVID.

The economy will crash if we lockdown for xx months because people die.

The economy will crash if we don't lockdown because xxxxxx will be ill.

Type_45

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

The government doesn’t choose which economists get on television, for one thing. Ours is often invited on, goes when he has something interesting to say, and isn’t either told what that view is by anyone or is asked what it is before he appears.

Nobody cares about economists.

But you were just complaining about 5ème being wheeled out to support the conspiracy.

That’s the problem with conspiracists, you change your story 180 degrees when presented with evidence that you were wrong, and just continue with the beliefs.You beliefs, it turns out, are nothing to do with the evidence.

What's 5ème?

wmb194

What's the famous joke/critique about economists? That they all have different opinions and can rarely agree on anything? You can take on board what they say - or any 'expert' for that matter - but I wouldn't hold them up to be omniscient. To make a market you always need two points of view.

To the OP, sounds like you're a value investor. Look for funds, ITs, companies and investment managers who share or fit your philosophy and drip feed your money into them. Some sort of multi-asset and/or wealth preservation fund might suit.

GeordieGeorge

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

The government doesn’t choose which economists get on television, for one thing. Ours is often invited on, goes when he has something interesting to say, and isn’t either told what that view is by anyone or is asked what it is before he appears.

Nobody cares about economists.

But you were just complaining about 5ème being wheeled out to support the conspiracy.

That’s the problem with conspiracists, you change your story 180 degrees when presented with evidence that you were wrong, and just continue with the beliefs.You beliefs, it turns out, are nothing to do with the evidence.

What's 5ème?

Cinquième. C’est un “auto correct”, n’est-ce pas?

Now, have you any I tension if engaging with the subject rather than casting around for typographic errors to avoid doing so?

Type_45

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Type_45 said:

grumiofoundation said:

graeme16 said:

It is easy to say that you have the better strategy over me because the markets have rebounded and everyone who was stood on the side-lines have been left with there jaws on the floor in a puddle of regret, 

No people with a better strategy than you would have invested as and when the money comes in, rather than sitting in cash waiting for 'the' crash (and then not investing when 'a' crash came).

You picked a strategy in 2015 which backfired. You have to decide if you are going to continue with the same and potentially miss out on the next 5 years of returns or change tack now and potentially see your investment drop (or middle ground as suggested above).

We haven't historically had this level of intervention outside of war time, let alone over a bad round of the flu. 

Well with this level of analytical thinking why do you need us? Your interpretation of figures and graphs is clearly superior to the 'experts'. Where did you do your PhD and postdoctoral research out of interest?  And did you specialise in epidemiology, virology, statistics etc?

You think the "experts" all agree with each other?

If not, which ones are right?


And how do you know that the "experts" you are listening to aren't corrupt and are a pure as the driven snow and have no self interest or pressure put on them or anything else which sways them?


It is all of our duty to think for ourselves and hold the "expert's" feet to the fire. 

But that's not what happens.

What happens is that the powers that be have an outcome they desire. And they put the experts that concur with their agenda on TV and they omit the ones that don't. And not only that but they deride and assassinate the dissenting experts' opinions.

God gave you a brain. Use it.

That’s quite some conspiracy theory. It’s all rubbish of course, you’ve joined dots to make your own picture, and are now insulting the intelligence of people who are better informed than you.

The government doesn’t choose which economists get on television, for one thing. Ours is often invited on, goes when he has something interesting to say, and isn’t either told what that view is by anyone or is asked what it is before he appears.

Nobody cares about economists.

But you were just complaining about 5ème being wheeled out to support the conspiracy.

That’s the problem with conspiracists, you change your story 180 degrees when presented with evidence that you were wrong, and just continue with the beliefs.You beliefs, it turns out, are nothing to do with the evidence.

What's 5ème?

Cinquième. C’est un “auto correct”, n’est-ce pas?

Now, have you any I tension if engaging with the subject rather than casting around for typographic errors to avoid doing so?

What's Cinquième?

I find your English difficult enough to understand without your typos and foreign words.