is gazumping/higher offers back everywhere in UK?

JJR45

BikingBud said:

You're making assumptions about everybody's business model that they need to work office hours.

Tell me what needs doing and by when and it generally can be done. If we have team meeting in the am with clear tasks and priorities then delivery against that is not usually a problem. Yes some jobs need to be available and responsive but not all roles require office hours. Sometimes it's just about micro-management and control and not about trusting the staff to get the required output.

But how are you going to have a company wide policy, if it is only going to work for some staff?
If it is about trusting staff to get the required output. What have Google, Amazon etc seen in their analytics that has caused them to want app staff back in the office for most of the working year?
I agree, it is about trust. But they have obviously seen something to want to have office working the norm again.
So what benefit is a company going to see if only some roles can work how you want/ like to and the rest still be on office hours?
I agree it may work for some, and my post was a generalisation, but we are talking in general for most companies and most job posts, not the odd one as that narrows the debate to a very narrow band of people.
There is currently a very wide band of people working from home for a very different reason.
It is those we are talking about, the roles you seem to be taking about already seem to be early adopters any and would have likely been WFH pre covid.

JJR45

Scotbot said:

I have a number of colleagues who happily work between 8pm and 10pm as they are out of office between 3pm and 7pm. All of them  mums who want to spend time with their kids after school. 

I as a farther, I like spending time with my child after school.
So I made sure I had a job as close to home as possible.
That may have lowered my earning potential, but that is one of the sacrifices you make, I can't expect London wages if I live over 100 miles away from it.

But can guarantee one thing as a parent, the job has a habit of working the hours the child some days,  not the ones the parent wants.😁
Most tend to sacrifice a few hours a week or let the children go into after school clubs for 1.5 hours so they are fully available for the whole of the evening and night.

I think you made a small error on your example you are giving them 4 hours (3-7pm) off to then working only 2 hours  (8-10pm). So they would have to work something like 7pm to 11pm. Or are you saying they finish at 3pm and want more hours? I guess that would depend on the job, what is it? (Customer facing etc) some jobs just may not be able to accommodate late hours as they would be unproductive.

But there are flexible working jobs now, but that is different to a company stating 100% WFH, which is the context of the conversation.

oystercatcher

My husband will have to start going back to the office soon for at least 2 days a week to retain his London Weighting allowance, he needs this as it affects his final salary pension which he will be taking in just a few years.

moneysavinghero

JJR45 said:

Scotbot said:

I have a number of colleagues who happily work between 8pm and 10pm as they are out of office between 3pm and 7pm. All of them  mums who want to spend time with their kids after school. 

I as a farther, I like spending time with my child after school.
So I made sure I had a job as close to home as possible.
That may have lowered my earning potential, but that is one of the sacrifices you make, I can't expect London wages if I live over 100 miles away from it.

But can guarantee one thing as a parent, the job has a habit of working the hours the child some days,  not the ones the parent wants.😁
Most tend to sacrifice a few hours a week or let the children go into after school clubs for 1.5 hours so they are fully available for the whole of the evening and night.

I think you made a small error on your example you are giving them 4 hours (3-7pm) off to then working only 2 hours  (8-10pm). So they would have to work something like 7pm to 11pm. Or are you saying they finish at 3pm and want more hours? I guess that would depend on the job, what is it? (Customer facing etc) some jobs just may not be able to accommodate late hours as they would be unproductive.

But there are flexible working jobs now, but that is different to a company stating 100% WFH, which is the context of the conversation.

I would imagine they mean the normal working hours are 9 till 5. They finish at 3pm instead and work the 2 hour missed hours from 8pm to 10pm (the 3 hours between 5 and 7 is just the time they spend with the kids who then get put to bed at 8) 

JJR45

moneysavinghero said:

JJR45 said:

Scotbot said:

I have a number of colleagues who happily work between 8pm and 10pm as they are out of office between 3pm and 7pm. All of them  mums who want to spend time with their kids after school. 

I as a farther, I like spending time with my child after school.
So I made sure I had a job as close to home as possible.
That may have lowered my earning potential, but that is one of the sacrifices you make, I can't expect London wages if I live over 100 miles away from it.

But can guarantee one thing as a parent, the job has a habit of working the hours the child some days,  not the ones the parent wants.😁
Most tend to sacrifice a few hours a week or let the children go into after school clubs for 1.5 hours so they are fully available for the whole of the evening and night.

I think you made a small error on your example you are giving them 4 hours (3-7pm) off to then working only 2 hours  (8-10pm). So they would have to work something like 7pm to 11pm. Or are you saying they finish at 3pm and want more hours? I guess that would depend on the job, what is it? (Customer facing etc) some jobs just may not be able to accommodate late hours as they would be unproductive.

But there are flexible working jobs now, but that is different to a company stating 100% WFH, which is the context of the conversation.

I would imagine they mean the normal working hours are 9 till 5. They finish at 3pm instead and work the 2 hour missed hours from 8pm to 10pm (the 3 hours between 5 and 7 is just the time they spend with the kids who then get put to bed at 8) 

So a lot of that would depend on the job, presumably they are front facing jobs if not already flexible?
That is the problem, a lot of jobs simply can't be done outside office hours.